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           Everybody has heard all the media hype as to how we need to reduce our dependency on fossil fuels and so forth. One of the things that keeps the issue hot is the use of E10, E15, or even E85. As we all are aware, ethanol burns hotter and cleaner then gasoline. BRAVO everybody is hooked on the idea because of that one phrase.

           Now for the rest of the story. Has anyone bothered to stop and ask the more detailed questions evolving around ethanol. Can it reduce your consumer cost per gallon if we use it ? (Sure it can, if like gasoline, we produce more then the demand requires us to produce. Instead of only what the demand needs to get by)

          Is it actually reducing our dependency on fossil fuels ?

(1) Only if somebody invents a vehicle that will get a better MPG on ethanol mix then a gallon of gas right now.

(2) As it stands right now, current vehicles on the road get less MPG on E10 then they do on pure gasoline. Which in return actually causes you to return to the fuel pump to buy more fuel sooner then it would have if you were running a pure blend of gasoline as to running an ethanol blend.

(3) End result you commute 500 miles a week back and forth to your job with an average cost of $60.00 a week on pure gasolines. You then are requires to use ethanol blend and after a couple of weeks, you have noticed it has started costing you $66.00 a week for the same amount  driving and distance, your consumtion has increased. Which has made your dependency more on the same fossil fuel then it was before they rquired you to buy a 10% blend.

So I ask you: (GOOD IDEA or another result of GORE HYPE)

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BasehorLady read my blog view my photos
Mar 9, 2008 | 4:58 PM

My dad just told me this weekend that when he was a senior in high school, 1938, there was a gas station on Minnesota, between 4th & 5th Street, in KCK that sold fuel made from corn. I was kind of surprised. Just think if they would have kept making it and perfected it to a point where we would have gotten better mileage per gallon, or better yet, not ever depended on foreign countries for oil to make the gasoline. We could have been dependent only on ourselves for 70+ years!

jstol3 read my blog
Mar 9, 2008 | 5:19 PM

Henry Ford's first choice of fuel for his cars was ethanol. When he realized that there wasn't enough of the stuff around he chose gasoline.

In today's world we have to stop thinking in terms of miles per gallon and start thinking in terms of cost per mile. E85 is cheaper than regular unleaded and I have about the same cost per mile with E85 as I do with regular unleaded.

Since I can use either one in my car I can choose between the two depending on price per gallon.

American1966 read my blog view my photos
Mar 9, 2008 | 6:03 PM

jstol3 I understand completely, unfortunatily there is not enough E85 station around to support a total conversion. As for the lower ethanol it causes the older vehicles which is a good portion of those in use to get lessor MPG in turn causes the owners to go to the fuel pumps more. I think one of the biggest things that concerns me, is our lobbist, government, politicians or scientist do not totally and thoroughly research things before they allow someone to start tring to scare people into making them millions of dollars

mpvan read my blog
Mar 9, 2008 | 6:32 PM

Gas at $3.15 is hardly painful, just annoying.
When it is painful, then you won't see the 1 person in the Expedition on their way to work. That won't occur till $4.15/gal. Didn't see any Expeditions or Excursions in Europe (Switzerland) last month. Don't even see an HOV lane in the area.

jstol3 read my blog
Mar 9, 2008 | 6:48 PM

American -

The E10 is a ripoff because it gives no price reduction and it is mandated by state law.

mpvan - since the price is no problem for you I will be looking to you to subsidize the cost of my fuel and the rest of the bloggers here.

Thanks!

mnaines read my blog view my photos
Mar 9, 2008 | 7:46 PM

I use E10 in my car, and although it lowers fuel economy, it adds power...Its a noticeable increase in power. I have a video showing how good pump gas can be if you find the right stuff: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qYZNgJhigs

mnaines read my blog view my photos
Mar 9, 2008 | 7:47 PM

That video shows a nasty turbocharged Honda del Sol street racing against a Lamborghini Gallardo and winning...15psi boost on pump gas.

American1966 read my blog view my photos
Mar 9, 2008 | 9:15 PM

mnaines you are right and it will increase the horse power, But then so will premium unleaded. all being the higher octane factor.

Yes Sir I know jstol3 and if we had more E85 available I myself would probably spend the money required to allow my 2001 to use it.
I agree with you on the E10 as well. What strength factor does the 10% mandate stand on. I only wished I could have been present at the time of the making of that bill.

cherokee316 read my blog view my photos
Mar 9, 2008 | 9:24 PM

I was one of the people that was all for ethanol,but now I realize I may have been wrong in supporting it as an alternative fuel.I still think we need to find alternative fuels in the near future not only because we don't have a eternal supply of oil but to get us out from under the boot of OPEC, but ethanol probably is not the answer.

American1966 read my blog view my photos
Mar 9, 2008 | 9:47 PM

cherokee316 you do not stand alone, I myself was one that supported it. Until I started hearing the disadvantages to 10% E Blend. At that point I started asking questions and doing the math.

mpvan read my blog
Mar 10, 2008 | 6:39 AM

Jstol, an incorrect conclusion to arrive at regarding, my subsidizing fuel costs. Merely an observation of the way things are and the way they will probably end up.

The 1 person on the way to work in the Excursion and Hummer, is the one who might subsidize your fuel bill, and may be just annoyed by higher fuel bills.

The way things may go in the future when petro hits $4.15 to over $6.00 as it is in Europe, is the vanishing of these vehicles. Then, it will be painful, and not just an annoyance.

mpvan read my blog
Mar 10, 2008 | 6:45 AM

Jstol, an incorrect conclusion to come to to think I would subsidize your fuel bill.

Merely an observation on the way things are and the way they may go. Look to the 1 person on his way to work in the Excursion and Hummer to pay your fuel costs.

When petro hits $4.15-$7.00 as it has in Europe those low mpg vehicles with one person in them will vanish as they have over there. At that point it will be more of an annoyance and truly painful to fill up! Then habits will change.

Fill up with Ethanol in a Honda and you will get all types of computer error codes.

Jordan read my blog
Mar 10, 2008 | 7:37 AM

“Didn't see any Expeditions or Excursions in Europe (Switzerland) last month. Don't even see an HOV lane in the area.”

Mpvan I’ll tell you something else you probably didn’t see in Europe, a horde of gasoline powered recreational boats on the lakes, jet skis, wave runners, snowmobiles, ATVs and huge cross country RVs. Probably didn’t see many riding lawnmowers, gasoline powered weed eaters and hedge trimmers either. Why aren’t we criticizing the people who waste gas for pure recreational purposes, rather than demonizing those who have to go back and forth to work? What kid of gas mileage does a bass boat get, or the powerboats or cruisers we see so many of at the Lake Of The Ozarks and other lakes around the country?

What you might save a little in price per-gallon at the pump with ethanol, but it is more than made up for by the increased price of corn and corn based products you purchase at the grocery store. We do not, and probably never will have the potential to make ethanol a viable fuel. Of course it might aid in the obesity problem. Wait till you start paying $30 for a box of corn flakes.

American1966 read my blog view my photos
Mar 10, 2008 | 9:53 AM

You argue a good point Jordan, But you are not going to save at the pump with ethanol, when you have to back more because of the ethanol

American1966 read my blog view my photos
Mar 10, 2008 | 9:55 AM

LOL as it is not funny mpvan, but it is if you look at it the way I am right now. If fuel hits $6.00 a gallon here I do believe you will see a horse eating my lawn LOL and a goat eating my trash

kingborg read my blog
Mar 10, 2008 | 12:11 PM

i also heard ethanol adds more to green house gasses then reg gas.

American1966 read my blog view my photos
Mar 10, 2008 | 12:15 PM

Actually it should not if the vehicle is functioning properly, ethanol is a higher octane and shuold burn hotter and purer then the average unleaded.

mpvan read my blog
Mar 10, 2008 | 6:25 PM

Jordan, you're right I didn't see jet skis, gasoline powered boats, wave-runners, riding lawnmowers, weed eaters and hedge trimmers. Only because it's winter there too. Lots of snowmobiles though. Lots of public transportation, bicycles, and motorcycles, scooters, and other HIGH mpg vehicles. The day of the LOW mpg vehicle with one person in them is numbered. Europe, where gasoline is concerned, is the future staring us in the face. It is several dollars higher per gallon, mostly because of taxes but higher none the less.

mnaines read my blog view my photos
Mar 10, 2008 | 8:22 PM

There's a law in britain that SUVs and other gas guzzlers are no longer legal UNLESS you're carpooling...If you're the only person in them, then they are not allowed on the road.

jona2umr read my blog view my photos
Mar 10, 2008 | 9:09 PM

I can't wait for a new President to get into office, then we'll see how the gas prices go down.. I, for one, will make a formal public apology if they do.

I'm wondering, does anybody think of how much gas would be saved it it wasn't for illegal immigants?? I know for a fact, that most of the ones I've seen drive brand new S.U.V.'s, or pick-up truck. If you have one that buys a new vehicle and then 5 or 6 that drive it , that means alot of gas, that we pay for as a county. I drive a medium sized S.U.V as a rule, which doesn't use any more than my mini-van...(however, I'm a LEGAL U.S. Citizen).

If we cut down on the border run, we could save alot in gas.

My opinion, as a AMERICAN .

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