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We have been hearing a great deal about "Drill Now" with regard to opening up our offshore waters as well as the ANWR in Alaska to oil drilling. Of course, the high-and-might democrats (such as one Senator Bill Nelson as well as the illustrious Harry Ried and Nancy Pelosi, among many others)  are fighting these efforts tooth-and-nail.

I do not subscribe to the philosophy that this will bring down the price of oil right away. HOWEVER, I do believe that the mere commitment (whether we actually drill or not) will help to ease the upward push in prices that is being caused by those "evil speculators". Look at it this way...if you were speculating (gambling) that the supply of a commodity was going to remain the same or decrease with time as the speculators are doing, and something took place which MIGHT indicate that supplies would, in fact, increase, would you not be less likely to place such a bet?

I believe that psychology, rather than actual supply and demand, would have a great deal to do with the price. Just look at what happens when a hurricane forms within a thousand miles of the Gulf of Mexico if you believe that psychology does not factor into the equation.

BTW: Write your elected officials and let them know in no uncertain terms that you believe that our economic security trumps the environment and "global warming". Hey, Senator Nelson...how many of your constituents actually LIVE or own property on the beach? My bet is that it is a very small minority. You need to follow the governor's lead.
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Neanderthal read my blog
Jun 19, 2008 | 6:37 AM

Yes, I believe this is a Poker chip that should be played.

mmustangg read my blog view my photos
Jun 19, 2008 | 6:38 AM

I agree that it wont bring down prices right away. We'll have to eat these high prices until they get the crude flowing. When they do, there's enough annual supply in the gulf to supply the whole country with a surplus! Then the only problem will be getting that oil to market at lower than the global average price.

Note for the tree huggers... The oil rigs already in the gulf took a pounding by hurricane Katrina and very little to no oil was lost as a result. Dont worry, your flip flops wont get soiled! *lol*

yellowdog read my blog view my photos
Jun 19, 2008 | 6:41 AM

Hey, where have you been buddy?

It appears the spike in oil prices is driven more by speculation than supply and demand.

We have no policy for energy independence. It is the fault of our government and of ourselves.

We jumped on ethanol production and the price of food products went through the roof.

We'll drill and a giant hurricane or terrorist attack will make Florida a graveyard for the tourist industry.

We need a comprehensive energy plan which we all buy into...the government and the people.

What will it take?,,, when gas reaches ten dollars a gallon we'll be ready.

mmustangg read my blog view my photos
Jun 19, 2008 | 7:21 AM

Yellowdog.....Are you missing some screws in your mental erector set? There are two sides to supply and demand! Demand can come from more than just demand from the product now but also demand for oil yet pumped! That why they call it "oil futures"! Demand for futures is part of the equation! It's like when people speculate on what corn will sell for in 6 months and the price of Fritos goes up now! It's still demand for corn! Or in this example corn in the future! Now just replace the word corn with the word oil and it should make sense to you. Oh...and the word Fritos with the word gas!*lol*

By the way, as I already said in this blog, hurricane Katrina cause VERY LITTLE oil to be spilled. Remember, they can shut those wells off at the sea floor in the event of a storm.

Technut2
Jun 19, 2008 | 7:40 AM

You people are nuts! you want to see black beach go to Calif. or go visit Texas and Louisianna and see how beautiful oil rigs are on your horizon, how would you like your wedding or sunset pics with an oil rig for background! We still have pockets of sludge off Anna Maria and the shores of Manatee county because of a minor incident with a ship! My family has enjoyed the white sands of Fl. for 3 generations, you want oil rigs go elsewhere. Besides the line of oil has probably already been drained by the thousands of oil rigs around the western gulf and Cuba, there is probably nothing there. And it will take 8-9 years for the process of finding oil and building a rig. What do you think that process will do to our sea bottoms. We need to get away from oil period, there was a car that ran on water, there is now an engine that runs on saltwater and a car that runs on compressed air!

yellowdog read my blog view my photos
Jun 19, 2008 | 8:17 AM

Futures trading has nothing to do with supply and demand (in the classic sense), they are about SPECULATION of market supply and demand.

Traders lose on some guesses and make $$$ on others.

The consumer determines the demand and the producer (or other circumstances) the supply.

NOT futures traders.

I use a Lego brain building system and sometimes my blocks do fit together just right.

yellowdog read my blog view my photos
Jun 19, 2008 | 8:17 AM

Futures trading has nothing to do with supply and demand (in the classic sense), they are about SPECULATION of market supply and demand.

Traders lose on some guesses and make $$$ on others.

The consumer determines the demand and the producer (or other circumstances) the supply.

NOT futures traders.

I use a Lego brain building system and sometimes my blocks do fit together just right.

YBSRobin read my blog
Jun 19, 2008 | 2:06 PM

Psychology is an excellent way in helping to ease the situation. You have a good point, if the Government stated "we are going to start drilling off the coast of Ft. Lauderdale and in Alaska," even though it probably wouldn't affect anything right away, or even at all, it would make people feel better as they pump more gas. I guess one could consider it as reverse psychology. How often does the Government state they are going to implement something to make the situation better, get people all worked up to feel better about spending money, then when it doesn't happen, it takes us a couple of years to catch on, get angry for a while then move on. The Government has been proficient in this process of psychology for many years, I wonder why we haven't caught on yet or better yet, learned from it. FloydFreak, I like the way you think!

mmustangg read my blog view my photos
Jun 19, 2008 | 3:36 PM

YD,

And sometime your blocks are off by a few holes! Demand is still demand! It doesn't matter if some people lose money on that demand or not! How else would speculating even have any impact at all?

Technut2,

The oil rigs in question wont be within sight of the shore! And the oil will most likely be piped back to shore! There goes your argument, right out the window. The oil in the ship you brought up didn't come from off shore wells. You can also have a fuel spill from ships too. Are you saying we should stop shipping traffic because of some accident that hasn't happened? Dont be so knee-jerk! THINK!

Floyd,

People will still speculate on oil. Wouldn't you gamble a little once the oil price does drip...I mean drop?
Even if your answer to that is no, there are plenty of people who would say yes.

FloydFreak read my blog view my photos
Jun 19, 2008 | 5:24 PM

Thanks for your concern as to my whereabouts, YD. Alas, after three years of spending my work weeks (or the better part so them) in Pinellas, I have started my new job. The good news is that I get to return to the "Freak Compound" every evening. The bad news is that I now work in Ocala which is an hour's drive (company car and gas). Alas, I have very little spare time to spend online and I cannot blog at work as I once could.

I am going to make no remarks regarding your Erector set, but I must agree with my friend, the stallion. The media have planted this image that the "speculators" are as evil as Karl Rove, if not more so. If you want to see the flip side of speculation, you need look no further than Southwest Airlines.

As I noted in my original post, speculation is gambling - nothing more, nothing less. These traders are playing the odds that tomorrow's price is going to be higher than today's. And thus far, they have been correct. Agreed, it is not strictly supply and demand that is driving the run-up in prices. But it is EXACTLY the same thing that occurred in the real estate market. People were SPECULATING that a concrete block home built in Largo in 1958 would be worth $300K. And guess what? The price of a 1958 block home in Largo went to $300K. Is such a home worth $300K? Not in MY book. But if you wanted a 1958 block home in Largo (two years ago), you had to ante up $300K. Is gas WORTH four dollars. Of course not. but if you WANT it, you need to pay that for it.

I believe that the bubble will eventually burst which will be good for consumers but bad for t

FloydFreak read my blog view my photos
Jun 19, 2008 | 5:25 PM

(cont'd.)

I believe that the bubble will eventually burst which will be good for consumers but bad for those heavily invested in the oil industry.

My two cents' worth.

P.S.: I hope that everyone is doing well. And, in closing...NObama '08!

FloydFreak read my blog view my photos
Jun 19, 2008 | 5:31 PM

And technut...

Exactly WHERE are you going to get the energy to generate the compressed air? Are you going to blow said compressed air out of your @ss? I think not. You're going to need ELECTRICITY to run said compressor. And where is said electricity going to come from? A small percentage of it will come from the might atom but the great majority of it will come from fossil fuels.

Get off of your high horse and get real. I agree, they're ugly as heck, But as mmustangg noted, you're never going to be able to SEE these rigs at all. And don't feed us the leftie crap line about spills. Otherwise, quit your bellyaching and get ready for TEN dollar gas.

Yes, we need to get off of oil - no argument. but it is going to take years. Until then, we need every drop of our OWN product that we can get our hands on!

YBSRobin read my blog
Jun 19, 2008 | 5:38 PM

Since I normally post through the Fox 35, I don't know if my recent post will show here or not. I am not sure how that works, but since there is so much speculation, I came across this article and thought it to be very interesting:

http://community.myfoxtampabay.com/blogs/YBSRobin/2008/
06/19/REALITY_On_The_Real_Reason_Behind_Oil_Prices

If many of you have a chance to check it out, let me know what you think.

RandyLoo read my blog view my photos
Jun 19, 2008 | 5:52 PM

Don't forget there is plenty of coal to fuel electricity ..and it is time we told Gore to go suck on a sock monkey. Kansas governor just turned down the plans to build a refinery in W. Kansas....no one lives in W. Kansas. Get the nuclear plants built for power to the people as well. Many people used to heat with coal. If they can send a space explorer to Mars we can build furnaces to run on coal and run clean. And guess what all of those resources would put people to work for a long time.

FloydFreak read my blog view my photos
Jun 19, 2008 | 7:06 PM

Great point, RL. And with battery/electric motor technology being what it is (hybrids), you cannot convince me that we could not drive ALL of our transportation with electricity - said electricity being generated by the atom if they won't let us burn coal.

Lookie, lookie, Al, Barack, Nancy, Harry, Arnold, (yes, to too, Bill Nelson)...no CO2 emissions.

yellowdog read my blog view my photos
Jun 19, 2008 | 9:27 PM

Hey Robin, welcome to the "cesspool" of Tampa.

Folks, Robin is one of the regulars and right thinking players in Mickey Land.

Always with a good point and a good argument (to the chagrin of the far RIGHT RWNJ's, over there).

WELCOME to Tampa Land.

yellowdog read my blog view my photos
Jun 19, 2008 | 9:28 PM

There is absolutely NO WAY that traders have any influence on long term supply and demand Stang.

Frankenberry read my blog
Jun 19, 2008 | 9:53 PM

I cringe every time I go to the pump. I hate the rising costs of goods and services due to rising oil costs and the weak dollar. I hate that my salary just doesn't seem to keep up. But I thank god every day because I live in the prettiest state in the country.

I go sailing every week and I spend half of every summer at the beach. I take long weekend trips to the Florida Keys. And it is only a short drive for me to see water so clear it takes my breath away. I am fortunate to have my lifestyle and it is only possible because I live in Florida.

Oil drilling off the coast of Florida threatens to destroy all the things I love about this state. If you don't think it's possible, visit the beaches in Texas and Louisiana. They are nothing short of disgusting.

Offshore drilling in the Gulf has consequences. The process of drilling and transporting oil from oil platforms has a damaging affect on the surrounding environment. And it only takes one major accident on an oil platform off the coast of Florida to completely destroy the entire coastline. Chevron has experienced 40 documented major accidents on Gulf oil platforms alone.

I sincerely hope that offshore oil drilling never becomes a reality for Florida. I would like for the next generation to be able to enjoy all of the great things about Florida that so many of us seem to take for granted. Drilling off the coast of Florida would only be trading a long-term problem for a short-term solution.

mmustangg read my blog view my photos
Jun 19, 2008 | 10:00 PM

"There is absolutely NO WAY that traders have any influence on long term supply and demand Stang."

YD,

I never said they have any influence on SUPPLY, but they do have an effect on DEMAND! Again, you are not looking at both sides of the equation! Are you losing all sense of logic? There are four ways that supply and demand can affect a price!

TO RAISE PRICES YOU NEED THIS:

1) Shortage of supply = higher price (not the case today)

2) Increase in demand = higher price (very much the case today)

TO LOWER PRICES, YOU NEED THIS:

1) Increase in supply = lower price

2) Reduction in demand = lower price

It doesn't matter if you are buying the oil as it comes from the ground or if you are buying oil futures for 6 months from now! Demand is still demand! Either higher or lower!

DaytonaFrank read my blog view my photos
Jun 19, 2008 | 11:23 PM

That is VERY funny YD!!

"Folks, Robin is one of the regulars and right thinking players in Mickey Land."

That is so funny dog! You are SO easily fooled!

Robin is also posting under the name CrazyNLuvit! She has a post on the front page of weather, and deleted my comment that pointed out her discusting deception of you easily fooled morons!

Glad you love her so much! Can you please keep her here in Tampa? We do not want her back in "Mickey Land"!!!

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I am your normal, middle-class, "working Joe". But I am also a capitalist and believe that nothing good comes from socialistic entitlement programs. I believe in hunting down and killing terrorists like the little rats that they are (except that that statement is denigrating to rats). I grew up in a very conservative household and was fortunate enough to have had a conservative American Government teacher (a retired US Army colonel) who helped to show me the "right" way. Are there things that I would like to change? Absolutely. But NOT the kind of "change" being espoused by Hillarock Obaminton. I have lived in Florida for forty of my forty-eight years. I've been a big Pink Floyd fan since my teen years hence the moniker, FloydFreak. My friends call me Freak, Floyd, and FF. The libs call me a neocon. I wear that badge proudly. Please note that I enjoy engaging in spirited discussion - even with those with whom I disagree. There are a number of individuals on these boards whom I respect even if I DO think that they're out of touch with reality. Please note also that I do not tolerate personal attacks on my character. If you think that I'm full of BLEEP, you have the right to say so. But drag my character into the gutter and expect retaliation in kind with FloydFreak's own brand of sarcasm. Keep it civil and we'll get along fine. To those of you that see good in America and want the OPPORTUNITY for prosperity for all - and do not just seek to soak it to "the rich", I say God bless you. And God bless America!

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