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Several states are considering lowering the legal drinking age from 21 to 18. In doing so, they risk losing millions of dollars in federal highway funding. But, beyond that, such attempts are sure to spark a furious debate. When I was 18, 21 was the legal drinking in most states. By the time I reached my 21st birthday, it had been lowered to 18. The argument goes that, if someone is old enough to serve in the military and put his or her life on the line, they should be able to order a beer. Strong argument.

Organizations such as Mothers Against Drunk Driving would argue strenuously that allowing 18-year olds to drink legally would lead to a surge in teenage traffic deaths. Very strong argument!

 Here's the problem. Whether the "legal" age is 21 or 18, kids are drinking. In fact, it seems to be a rite of passage on most college, if not high school campuses. It's very difficult to legislate human behavior.

 So, to my way of thinking, the tone has to be set by parents. You can forbid your under 21-year old from drinking entirely. Yet, to me, the rigid approach rarely works and frequently backfires. The more reasonable strategy might be to insist on responsible drinking. That means, under no circumstances, should your son or daughter get behind the wheel after drinking alcohol. As we've seen too many times, the potential consequences are both life altering and life threatening.

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FloydFreak read my blog view my photos
Apr 3, 2008 | 4:36 PM

"It's very difficult to legislate human behavior."

That's the key, Frank. I'm a couple of years younger than you, apparently. I was legal at eighteen. The drinking age was raised to twenty-one shortly after I reached that age.

I'd have to say that I'm on the fence with regard to this. It's hard for me to say that the drinking age should NOT be lowered. Hey, 18 worked for me.

In my senior year of high school (I turned 18 in November), I used to drive around with a bottle of Jack Daniels in my back seat. With 20-20 hindsight, that's not a good thing.

On the other hand, kids are GOING TO drink one way or the other if they want to.

I do not believe that lowering the drinking age to eighteen would lead to an increase in traffic deaths any more than legalizing drugs would lead to an increase in the number of addicts.

MoonOwl read my blog
Apr 4, 2008 | 6:17 AM

See, we agree again FloydFreak.

Tho, I see it a bit differently. We have Troops that are not allowed to drink because of our age limit (I remember when it was 18 too). If these kids are willing to serve our Country, they have earned the right to legally order a drink if they choose. imho.

I was being served in bars when I was 16. But I looked and acted those two years beyond my age ;)

What's interesting is the other countries that don't have strict rules (Italy & UK for 2 examples). It seems those countries don't have as big a problem w/kids drinking to excess since it's not such a big deal - 'Forbidden Fruit' so to speak. The Netherlands has an open society yet their teen numbers are below ours in drinking, drugs & pregnancy. I find that very interesting indeed. I guess if you take the 'Forbidden' part of the equation out, moderation ensues?

What to intelligently do......
MoonOwl

leasheryn read my blog
Apr 4, 2008 | 7:00 PM

I agree with you, MO. When I was a child (I'm not that much younger than Floyd), my brother and I were both allowed a glass of wine at dinner on Thanksgiving and Christmas. On Easter afternoon, my family would go to a local bar (we were a big family) and I was given sips of beer from my uncles and grandfather. I was also allowed sips during my birthday parties which were big barbeques. I've been drunk three times in my life, no more, and have a healthy respect for drink and do so moderately. You see, there's no thrill in it.
Sometimes forbidding someone (particularly a teen or young adult) makes for a worse situation since 1) they always think they know better and 2) they always have to try or be daring. If you instill a healthy respect, there's no thrill or enticement to get drunk or act stupidly.

mmustangg read my blog view my photos
Apr 4, 2008 | 9:51 PM

When I was 18, way back in 1981, things were different. Hell, people were different! If it were up to me, I would raise it to 25!

MO,

I agree with you to a point but I dont know where you got the idea it wasn't so strict in the UK. It's 21 there! Trust me, I know. I have family there and I go there quite often. As for countries with lax drinking policies, let me throw this out there for you. In Bosnia and Herzegovina, there is no minimum age inside or outside bars. Around 5% of 13 year olds drink alcohol more than once a week, and that's still less than half average rate of the rest of the EU. I have traveled Europe a lot since the 1980s and it's really sad to be in a country with a lower drinking age. It's sad to see a 16 year old stumble out of a bar too drunk to see straight and no one does a thing because it's legal. Don't believe me, go to Germany.

MoonOwl read my blog
Apr 5, 2008 | 6:42 AM

Well mmustangg, this BBC article is from last year, but it talks about how the drinking age will not be raised to 21 in the UK:

http://tinyurl.com/4umofy

Perhaps they've since changed their minds? Tho I didn't see any articles saying so.

Googling "What is the legal drinking age in the UK" brought up many interesting articles. Like this one: ttp://tinyurl.com/4lh3d6 Permissible at 5 eh? That is a wee bit young for my tastes.


Leasheryn, I was raised similar to you. Alcohol isn't that big of a deal. Tho, I've been drunk more than three times.

Forbidden Fruit only leads to temptation. Period.

Tying the drinking age to highway funding is just another example of big government. Did we vote on that? Who knows...

MoonOwl

MoonOwl read my blog
Apr 5, 2008 | 6:44 AM

drated typo. Don't forget the h in http: like I just did in the second link.

mmustangg read my blog view my photos
Apr 5, 2008 | 7:50 AM

MO,

You seem to be right. I was just talking to my fience there and she said it's still 18 but that a lot of pubs are inforcing 21 as the at at which they will serve. Still proves my point and that the UK has a problem with kids drinking and the current age bares that out. That's why they are looking to change it. I just thought from talking to them that it already had.

Your forbidden fruit thing aint cutting it. Drugs have always been forbidden for me and I have never been tempted to try them. It's called good parenting and education! That analogy of yours is a cop-out.

So you think we should make everything legal then so there's no temptation? Yeh right! *lol*

MoonOwl read my blog
Apr 5, 2008 | 8:14 AM

Well, I do try to get facts straight before I type. Sometimes I do fall short.

Perhaps it doesn't cut it for you. But, calling it a 'cop-out' is your opinion and that's fine.

Where I have I said everything should be legal? I haven't yet. Tho, if you research places like The Netherlands (the #1 place to raise a family) where there is a more open approach to things, the rates are tiny compared to the USA for teens in trouble. No forbidden fruits???

I agree that education is key. When we hear Florida teens think that drinking bleach will save you from AIDS and Mountain Dew will keep you from getting preggers, one can see our education system is sorely lacking in that respect. Pretty darn close to BackWaterUSA if you ask me.

Perhaps we should start treating our children as intelligent beings? My 9yr old had 'development' classes these past few weeks. There were a few kids whose parents opted out from the lessons. I guess those are the kids who will try the bleach or mountain dew solutions to their problems when they get older?

At least my daughter will have real information to base her actions or inactions upon.

MoonOwl

Neckcarjim read my blog view my photos
Apr 5, 2008 | 5:28 PM

Times are way different now I remember back when I was 16 and had a fake Id and drank like a fish to make matters worse one time I was pulled over and the cop wrote me a ticket. The ticket was for underage drinking and running a stop sign. He told me to go home. look back at that now i don't know how i kept from wrapping around a tree in the mountains of PA. The bottom line is that if the drinking age is 21 ant it saves one life it's worth it.
Lets talk about the real issue if I am driving down the road I would much rather confront a driver who is smoking pot then drinking beer and Jack.
Leave the Age at 21 and it's time to legalize POT.

Loveit read my blog
Apr 6, 2008 | 6:35 PM

Not sure about Franks view of telling the kids to drink responsibly when they are under age. That nearly gives them permission. Yes, peer pressure is a very big deal these days, even more so than "back in the day" for us 40-somethings. I recall several high school friends that would have field parties and the beer was in abundance. As a mother of an 18 year old, I wouldn't want to offer it to him, to have it at home and assume he wouldn't do it somewhere else. The rules are the rules. Parents are better at enforcing them then the government. Let parenting be the priority not the legistlature.

JANICELPED read my blog
Apr 7, 2008 | 8:23 AM

There are people out there that don't have enough sense to drink and be responsible no matter how old they are, but to allow 18 year old teenagers the right to drink is just asking for trouble. It's been a while since I was 18 but I do remember that at that age I was no where near responsible to drink. And when you put several teenagers in a room at one time trying to impress each other you are asking for trouble. Being 18 dosn't mean you are responsible and some of them should not even be driving because they aren't mature enough to obey the rules of the road. When you add alcohol to that it's an accident waiting to happen. I raised one 18 year old and I know he wasn't mature enough to drink. I hope this law dosn't pass just because they need to mature more to be able to be responsible. We want our teens to grow up not kill each other on the road because they are drunk. And drunk teens don't think about birth control either. We don't need more teen's giving birth because they got drunk and don't remember what they did. Times are hard enough for teens without adding alcohol to the problems they already have.

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