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Ok, let’s be honest. One reason for this blog is to rattle the puny little minds of booggymann, floydfreak, mmustangg, and others like them. Go to it, children.

On the other hand -  for those that use their minds, here is more info for the debate on global warming.

 

Rising sea level already eating away at Florida's coastline

By Curtis Krueger and Craig Pittman, Times Staff Writers

Published Friday, March 28, 2008 3:33 PM

* FOLLOWING ARE PARTS OF THE ARTICLE

Global warming is boosting the sea level along Florida's gulf coast and already causing profound environmental changes, scientists say.

• At Waccasassa State Park in Levy County, palms trees are toppling over dead as rising saltwater creeps up the beach.

• At Rookery Bay Preserve near Naples, salt­water mangroves have invaded what used to be freshwater marshes.

• On the western side of Everglades National Park, inland marshes are being replaced by seawater ponds.

"People have a hard time accepting that this is happening here," said University of Florida professor Jack Putz, who has led a Levy County research effort since 1992. Seeing the dying palms, he said, "brings a global problem right into our own back yard."

What is happening is not just a minor botanical alteration in a few isolated places. The scientists studying the phenomenon see it as a harbinger for major changes in the state's geography — submerging islands and turning swamps into open bays. Those changes alone can create a serious economic impact on businesses such as fishing.

The rising sea generally has crept up so slowly that it has been barely noticeable. In the Tampa Bay area, for instance, "we've actually seen an increase of about an inch a decade" since measurements began in the 1940s, said Holly Greening, executive director of the Tampa Bay Estuary Program.

Now, the rate at which the sea level is rising appears to be picking up speed.

The sea level's rise is often difficult to detect along urban coastlines because seawalls and replenished beaches can obscure or blunt the impact, said Mike Savarese, a Florida Gulf Coast University marine science professor.

But the changes wrought by higher seas are more obvious in wilderness areas such as state and national parks. In those natural areas, "we're seeing some real indications of a change out there," Savarese said.

• • •

Rising global temperatures are melting mountaintop glaciers in Greenland and other cold locales, raising the world's sea level. But an even bigger factor is thermal expansion. Water, like most materials, expands as it gets warmer. So as the upper level of the ocean warms up, the water expands, pushing the sea level higher.

To study past sea level fluctuations, Savarese has been pulling out core samples from around the Ten Thousand Islands area of Everglades National Park. By using carbon dating, he can see how old the different layers are. It paints a clear picture of what has been happening, he said.

The sea that receded from Florida's shores thousands of years ago was beginning to come back, naturally and slowly — until the Industrial Revolution began filling the atmosphere with greenhouse gases, warming the oceans and speeding up the process.

"Prior to the 1800s, the rates are fairly constant," Savarese said. That rate varied from about 1 1/2 to 3 inches a century, he said.

But now, thanks to the warming of the planet, Savarese said, the sea level is increasing by a rate of 15 to nearly 20 inches per century along that part of the Florida coast.

As the sea rises, it changes the land. For instance, as the trees die and fall over at Waccasassa preserve in Levy County, Putz said, "you can see the forest changing to marsh."

Something similar has been happening at Rookery Bay, said administrator Gary Lytton of the state Department of Environmental Protection. Comparing aerial photos of the area from the 1920s to what's there now shows how mangroves have replaced freshwater marshes that are important habitat for a variety of bird and fish species.

"You can see an ecological shift that's taking place," he said. "We're beginning to lose freshwater wetland habitat."

One of the more surprising discoveries is what Savarese found amid the maze of marshes and mangroves that form the Ten Thousand Islands: inland tidal pools that are "growing in size and increasing in number. They should eventually come together and form a new body of water. We're creating a new set of bays inland of our own."

• • •

How long will it take before sea level rise begins to cause major changes?

If you ask Harold Wanless, chairman of the University of Miami's geological sciences department who studies how the coastlines of South Florida have evolved over the past 4,000 years, he will give you one answer.

Wanless believes the rate will continue increasing until it surpasses 3 feet by the end of this century, and could even reach 5 feet. That "basically takes all of our barrier islands and makes them close to unlivable," he said.

But Wanless' predictions surpass what scientists from the U.S. Geological Survey have found so far in their studies from around the nation's coastline.

If the seas rise twice as much in the next century as they did in the last, "I wouldn't classify that as a catastrophe, putting everyone underwater, but you will start seeing major changes on our coastline," said Abby Sallenger, an oceanographer with the U.S. Geological Survey's center for Coastal and Watershed Studies.

The scientific uncertainty has left public officials unsure how to deal with the problem.

"I don't think that anybody's really pinned down numbers that make sense yet," said Ed Chesney, Clearwater's environmental manager. "You're talking 8 inches or 8 feet. & The jury's still out on that timetable."

"At some point it will pose a threat to our drinking water supply. Our subterranean aquifers will get some saltwater intrusion at some point," Ruvin said.

But that point could be decades in the future, which leads to apathy now, says Robert Brinkmann, a University of South Florida geography professor.

"As a society," he said, "it's hard for us to get our hands around how we plan for sea level change when it's not on our doorstop right now."

http://www.tampabay.com/news/environment/globalwar
ming/article435224.ece

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FloydFreak read my blog view my photos
Mar 30, 2008 | 10:27 AM

I see that you specifically did NOT include Paul Dellegatto in your list.

Come to think of it, I don't believe that we ever did see your apology to Paul for your tasteless remarks regarding him and his staff.

I guess that we had best not hold our collective breaths for that.

FloydFreak read my blog view my photos
Mar 30, 2008 | 10:46 AM

Just in case you need to have your memory refreshed:

"Mar 26, 2008 | 4:59 PM Maybe that's why Dave & Paul only made it to a Tampa TV station."

HEAFFA2DA read my blog
Mar 30, 2008 | 11:19 AM

I didn't include him in the list of those with puny little minds, simply because I don't feel he has a puny little mind. He has obviously made his decision, same as other meteorologists & scientists who feel differently than him, based on knowledge and much more information then you or I would ever be able to understand.
This is very different from those who read things they don't have the knowledge to understand, but choose one side or the other because, among other things, it agrees with the leaders of the political party they support. Heck, if meteorologists & scientists don't even agree on this subject, it's pretty egotistical for the average person to claim they know for sure.

As for the apology, actually that is none of your business - and the only reason for you to bring it up is hoping that I might say something else that you can use to kiss his a$$ some more.

HEAFFA2DA read my blog
Mar 30, 2008 | 11:23 AM

Surprisingly, up pops a blog to answer this blog. 2 puny little minds down, 1 to go.

FloydFreak read my blog view my photos
Mar 30, 2008 | 1:14 PM

"As for the apology, actually that is none of your business..."

The prosecution rests - AGAIN. You are one arrogant SOB.

So, tell us again, why is it that, "...Dave & Paul only made it to a Tampa TV station."

Vittorio read my blog view my photos
Mar 30, 2008 | 3:19 PM

Interesting statements above. I, too, have a problem with anyone who "tows the party line". If Liberals feel this way, I must because I'm a Liberal. Hogwash. Anyone too lazy to research and form their own opinions gets little respect from me. Calling something wrong without stating YOUR reasons means you're wasting time and space here. I wanna know what YOU think, and why.

No more gut and paste folks. It solves and serves nothing. It's your blog; have it contain your words and thoughts.












So there.

steveincanton read my blog view my photos
Mar 30, 2008 | 3:51 PM

We all agree the iceage was one of the top worst disasters the earth has ever seen! The polar icecaps as well as the glaciers were formed during this disaster! So if they melt it must mean we are coming out of the disaster and are returning to normal!

HEAFSBOYMANHOLE
Mar 30, 2008 | 5:48 PM

Vitt through my research I find facts that I happen to believe them true, I am sorry if you're getting pissed, because why should I just repete facts I just read. Why not just cut and past? after all isn't that the most accurate why of passing information.
If you just want to know the reason I disa gree I will just start saying (your wrong! because I think so)

HEAFFA2DA read my blog
Mar 30, 2008 | 5:56 PM

WOW! The dumba$$ knows how to start another screen name & do an elementary school type play on my screen name. Bet his Mom is impressed.

HEAFFA2DA read my blog
Mar 31, 2008 | 5:54 AM

The dumba$$ who actually thinks they are special because they have the ability to make a play on a screen name started another blog with yet another play on my screen name (WOW, he is special). Then he actually answered it with the screen name 2 posts earlier. Unfortunately, no one will be able to laugh along at this simple person because now that blog disappeared. But I did respond on that blog as follows:

I agree that it's hysterical, likely for a different reason though. I love it since it shows the mindset of someone that disagrees with me. For those who don't like what I've posted so far - doesn't it make any of you just so proud to show the type of mental state that agrees with you? I mean WOW - the ability to start a new screen name & the childishness to make a play on someone else's screenname. Remember in grade school - if you didn't like Betty, the best you had was Betty Wetty.
The only sad thing is the weekend is over & it's time for someone like that to hopefully head back to school.

Booggymann read my blog view my photos
Mar 31, 2008 | 7:44 AM

Actually HEAF If I recall wasn't it you who launched a full blown name calling attack on me on every blog that I wrote???Remember? I have never have spoken with you before and you came on to my blogs calling me names. I guess it's alright when you do it.
BTW I did read those blogs, Thought they were pretty funny too. We could tell how mad you were getting.

HEAFFA2DA read my blog
Mar 31, 2008 | 12:02 PM

Actually either your memory is terrible or you enjoy being a liar. Unfortunately I had run into your BS prior to me posting on your blogs.
What was to get mad about? Stupidity like that can be very funny.

FloydFreak read my blog view my photos
Mar 31, 2008 | 12:12 PM

"Unfortunately I had run into your BS prior to me posting on your blogs."

Under what name was THAT?

FloydFreak read my blog view my photos
Mar 31, 2008 | 12:14 PM

BTW: Did I see a blog under your name entitled, "An Apology to the Fox 13 Weather Department"?

I didn't think so.

HEAFFA2DA read my blog
Mar 31, 2008 | 12:15 PM

I would tell you which blog, but why waste time - you wouldn't be able to find it anyway.

HEAFFA2DA read my blog
Mar 31, 2008 | 12:18 PM

Whoops, I posted while you were doing your latest kiss a$$ routine.

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HEAFFA2DA

Enjoys proving the zero IQ's of political wackos. The fun begins when they realize their lack of intelligence. Their typical way of then slithering away & crawling under a rock is to A)deny they said what they said (even if it's 2 posts earlier within same blog), B)say the same BS over & over (knowing that those on their same IQ level will then believe it must be correct since they heard it somewhere before), C)wimply delete posts on their blogs that show them for what they are, D)refer to you by changing your screen name (not abbreviating, but such as Annie Fanny - remember 3rd grade) or, E)the ultimate compliment, post blogs that a 3rd grader would be proud of under a take off of your screen name. Look at their posts, then sadly realize these individuals vote. Then you will have a better idea of why our country is in the mess it's in.

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