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Once again,, the decision to go into Iraq after Saddam is being Presented as a "BUSH ONLY" proposition..

HERE is a SMALL list of quotes by MANY WHO SUPPORTED/CALLED for that effort before Bush’s presidency,, AFTER Bush BECAME President and yes,, MANY,,,, EVEN after 9/11…

MANY of those listed ,, you will note,, are CURREBTLY critical of the SAME action that THEY called for UNDER the Clinton Administration..

 PRIOR to the Bush Administration

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998.

"Together we must also confront the new hazards of chemical and biological weapons, and the outlaw states, terrorists and organized criminals seeking to acquire them. Saddam Hussein has spent the better part of this decade, and much of his nation's wealth, not on providing for the Iraqi people, but on developing nuclear, chemical and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them."
President Clinton, Jan. 27, 1998.

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeleine Albright, Feb 18, 1998.

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998.

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998

"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
Madeleine Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999.

AFTER Bush came into office..

"This December will mark three years ( almost THREE years into the former Clinton Administration ) since United Nations inspectors last visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to refine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, Dec, 5, 2001.

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002.

"We know that he has stored away secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

 "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002.

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002.

"My position is very clear: The time has come for decisive action to eliminate the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. I'm a co-sponsor of the bipartisan

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force — if necessary — to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002.

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years .... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002.

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do."
Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002.

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members.... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct. 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction.
Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002.

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime .... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction .... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...."
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003.

 

I'm just a FIRM believer in the adage;

 "the WHOLE truth and NOTHING but the Truth..."

resolution that's presently under consideration in the Senate. Saddam Hussein's regime is a grave threat to America and our allies..."
John Edwards (D, NC), Oct. 7, 2002
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Hawkeye read my blog
Jun 17, 2008 | 2:53 PM

For SOME reason the site messed up my post..EDWARD'S comment that appears at the bottom SHOULD be located as part of THIS comment..

"My position is very clear: The time has come for decisive action to eliminate the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. I'm a co-sponsor of the bipartisan ""

NOT that I think that anyone will actually READ all of this..MY point is that ALL this
" It's ALL Bush's fault" BS simply needs to be answered with the Truth..

I THINK that I have successfully made my point.....

Hawkeye read my blog
Jun 17, 2008 | 3:04 PM

You will ALSO note a TOTAL absence of ANY mention by ANYBODY of OBL in ANY of the comments..EVEN AFTER 9/11...

DaytonaFrank read my blog view my photos
Jun 17, 2008 | 4:23 PM

Well, this must be wrong. Bush started the war all by himself.
If you don't believe me, ask any liberal. They will tell you. LOL!

Hawkeye read my blog
Jun 17, 2008 | 5:07 PM

Three points to make here..

1.) THIS thread was in response to the CONTENT of the other thread..If it had been ANYBODY else making those claims ,,THIS post would have appeared EXACTLY as it appears before you NOW.. ZERO Changes..

2.) I would ALSO point out that the OTHER thread is EVERY bit the “Response Thread” to Amyk’s Post that MINE is to HIS…

and LASTLY;

3.) There is NOWHERE in this post that refers to or alludes to,, in ANY way,, the Individual who AUTHORED the other one.. Something that CANNOT be said of the other guy…EVER..

MY objection and MY response is to the LIE…

Hawkeye read my blog
Jun 17, 2008 | 6:13 PM

It's a TOUGH life when you TRY to define the parameters of a debate according to your OWN whimsy and NOBODY plays along..

Of COURSE if the debate is restricted to what ONE side chooses to permit and ALL else is forbidden it ONLY stands to reason that that SAME side will win the day,, EVERY day...
THAT is NOT a debate...

The contention that Bush was NOT alone is countered with the rediculous argument that THAT doesn't matter because HE had the LAST word..

ANOTHER LIE..

CONGRESS VOTED FOR THE WAR,,Including Bush's most vehement antagonists..

They WANT to CLAIM that THEY didn't KNOW what they were voting for..I say that ANYONE voting for a WAR without knowing what they were voting for should be TRIED and CONVICTED for STUPIDITY and sentenced to LIFE in Prison without benefit of Parole....

Twizlled read my blog view my photos
Jun 17, 2008 | 6:43 PM

And I think you made your point very well sir.

Hawkeye read my blog
Jun 17, 2008 | 6:54 PM

Thank you Twizlled..

BTW..Is there a story behind your screen name??

It SOUNDS like a Title to a song or maybe even a child's Book...LMAO..

ALL I know is that it sounds good when one says it..LMAO..I think it's great...

"What do YOU think of THIS??"

"I don't know,, it's got me ALL twizlled.."

LMAO..

TavaresJim read my blog view my photos
Jun 17, 2008 | 8:02 PM

We are there & Saddam is dead. Is it worth the life of my wifes cousin or any of the other Americans lives? Hell no!!! Tell us Hawkeye, if this is such a just cause would you give your life in Iraq if called to do so?

yellowdog read my blog view my photos
Jun 17, 2008 | 8:21 PM

The quotes resulted from the cherry picked, tunnel visioned intel planted, grown and groomed in the garden of Dick (waterboard) Cheney.

That fact has been confirmed by numerous first hand parties.

Saddam had nothing to do with 9-11....sad for you to hear, but true nonetheless.

Repeating the same old lies don't make them true.

I agree Jim, to remove Saddam at the expense of one American life, in order to bring "democracy" to Iraq and relieve the suffering of the tortured Iraqi's, is one too many.

Twizlled read my blog view my photos
Jun 17, 2008 | 8:25 PM

there is a story behind the screen name
My pc was hacked into ...back in the day i had aol and i had to close all accounts...so i had to create a new nic.
I liked the song "Twisted" by Keith Sweat
But that nic was taken, i was getting frazzled thinking about who am i going to be????
So I combined frazzled and twisted, and became Twizlled LOL
Nothing to do with the candy Twizller although i get asked that all the time :)
But nice to know the nic tickles you , love to make someone smile....mission accomplished

Hawkeye read my blog
Jun 17, 2008 | 8:34 PM

The WAR against Saddam lasted 21 DAYS..
It's OVER..It's BEEN over...

WE are Fighting TERRORISTS now with IRAQ as an ALLY..The SAME terrorists organization that attacked us on 9/11..I would FIGHT those Terrorists responsible for 9/11 ANYWHERE,, ANYTIME and ANYPLACE that I was required to DO so..

And I WOULDN'T wait to be called..

I did my service in time of War ONCE before and I would do so again..I DIDN'T wait THEN and I wouldn't wait NOW..

If I weren't a Blind and Broken Down old Horse YOU'D be getting THIS answer from IRAQ...

Tell me..HOW much were the 3000 innocent civilians killed on 9/11 worth..HOW much would your Wife's Cousin's Life be worth if it were HE/SHE in the Towers that day..Would it be be Worth MY going to Iraq and fighting to see that it NEVER happens again??

YOU bet your ASS it would....

Truthguys read my blog view my photos
Jun 17, 2008 | 8:35 PM

YOu know I was thinking that in WORLD War 2 according to the ANti Iraq war theroy, we shouldnt have attacked Hitler... Japan attacked us at Pearl Harbor not the Germans.

Clinton was dangerous for the nation and Criminally neglect proior to 911 and Bush while sqandering much of his 8 years at least stoped the US from getting attacked.

Hawkeye read my blog
Jun 17, 2008 | 8:38 PM

"The quotes resulted from the cherry picked, tunnel visioned intel planted, grown and groomed in the garden of Dick (waterboard) Cheney."

REALLY Yd..HOW Stupid ARE you??

HOW Stupid do YOU think People are???

How is it that the SAME intel that CLINTON had becomes "Cherry Picked" under Bush..

LOOK at the first quotes made BEFORE Bush EVEN came into Office and THEN take your Bushwhacking BS to the OTHER site where you have an ALLY in LIES....

Hawkeye read my blog
Jun 17, 2008 | 8:43 PM

I just happen to HAVE the Speech where YOU guys CLAIM that he said there wasthat connection..YOU LIE..he NEVER said that..

He MADE a reference to the Dangers America faced as DEMONSTRATED by 9/11..THAT'S the ONLY reference that HE made..It was NOT connected to his points about Saddam and Iraq..

Hawkeye read my blog
Jun 17, 2008 | 8:49 PM

For those who wish to KNOW the TRUTH rather then become prey to the Bushwhackers' LIES simply GOOGLE the below information and READ the SPEECH for yourself.........

For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
October 7, 2002

President Bush Outlines Iraqi Threat

Twizlled read my blog view my photos
Jun 17, 2008 | 8:55 PM

I'm with ya hawk eye!!!
Thanks for shining the light on truth.

Hawkeye read my blog
Jun 17, 2008 | 9:13 PM

Thanks Twizlled..I can't STAND it when somebody acts as though EVERYBODY is just plain Blind and Stupid..

To call ME a Liar with the evidence RIGHT there for ALL to see and THINK that JUST because HE can't stand the guy EVERYBODY else has to HATE him too or there's something WRONG with them just gets me boiling..LMAO....

I Liked that story about the name..Somehow,,it has a whimsical flavor to it and it SEEMS to FIT..LMAO..

I mean that in a GOOD way..LMAO..

Hawkeye read my blog
Jun 17, 2008 | 9:27 PM

HITLER,,AFTER he declared WAR on the United States and with his Wolfpack patrolling off American Waters and dropping off saboteurs did NOT present the danger to America that these terrorists do..

And JUST so EVERYBODY knows where I'm coming from..I'm NOT saying that the information on the other site is false or inaccurate,, I'm saying that it's INCOMPLETE..That there is INFORMATION relevant to the subject that is being INTENTIONALLY left out to MANIPULATE opinion and as in the case of Yd,, denied completely....

What I'm presenting HERE is JUST what the title suggest quite clearly,,The REST of the Story.....

yellowdog read my blog view my photos
Jun 17, 2008 | 10:27 PM

I'm surprised a war hero and business tycoon doesn't know the history of WWII, TG ?

Hitler sealed his fate when he joined Japan in declaring war on US.

An Auburn grad would surely know these simple facts. Did you sleep through world history?

The involvement in the "war to hang Saddam" did 2 things :

1. It hung Saddam ( a success)

2. It diluted and caused us to fail in the total defeat of the REAL enemies of the 9-11 attack, the Taliban and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan. (a horrific failure)

Hawkeye read my blog
Jun 17, 2008 | 10:44 PM

Really..Then by ALL estimates the total number of Terrorists Killed in Iraq OUTNUMBERING the Total in Afghanistan means NOTHING right???

YOU can SHOVE your "War to hang Saddam" BS..

THIS is a TOTALLY different War..The War against terrorists..it's JUST being fought in the SAME place.. I KNOW that you KNOW that and I KNOW that YOU think people are TOO STUPID to figure it out......

Your RIGHT about ONE thing though..
"Repeating the same old lies don't make them true." so WHY don't YOU just Shut the hell up...

NOBODY'S buying it anymore...

But you're WRONG about Hitler..HE sealed HIS fate when he broke his agreement with Russia and went to WAR with them...

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