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Hate Speech?
Jul 24, 2007 | 5:34 PM
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     I am constantly baffled about what justification some people have for viewing Conservative Christians as the enemy.  I know we (I speak as one of them) have made many mistakes and have done a lot of things which have been counter-productive to other's view of us, but the fact remains that Christians have been attacked more in the media than any other group. 

      I'm sorry, but saying homosexuality is a sin is not hate speech.  It is a loving warning given by people who care.  The Bible says in Leviticus 18 that God views it as an abomination.  In I Corinthians 6, it says homosexuals have no place in the Kingdom of  God.  I didn't write any part of the Bible - It is God's Word.  I am only relaying His message.  I do not hate homosexuals or anyone else, but America must be warned that there will be consequenses of forsaking the Lord.  It is not hateful to deliver a message, and I would not wish Hell on anyone.  But it is absolutely outrageous to me that laws are being passed to abridge my freedom of speech and religion by defining anything said against homosexuality as "hate speech!" 

     I'm sorry if this offends some people, but Homosexuality IS a sin.  It is an offense against God!  We can sing "God Bless America" until the cows fly home from the moon, but how can He bless a nation full of sin and corruption?  I am offended by the blatant attempt by Liberals to prevent me from warning sinners away from their sin. 

     Christians are not the enemy, but the best friends freedom has.  It is those who would foist "political correctness" on everyone that are the most dangerous enemies of freedom.  It was under the Chrstian worldview that this nation was founded, and it will be that which will sustain the freedoms countless Americans have fought and died for.

    

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CrankyMan read my blog view my photos
Jul 25, 2007 | 3:04 PM

Maybe I can explain. A lot of folks view conservative Christians as the enemy, because they are seen as wanting to remove the rights of others.

They want to legislate the tenets of their religious views and make everyone else obey. They view their interpretation of the Bible and other holy works as the only accurate interpretation.

Somehow you believe that being able to say that you don't approve of homosexuality is hate speech. No it isn't and I doubt any court in the USA would ever agree to hear that case.

But, suggesting that homosexuals should not be allowed to live in your town might be considered hate speech. Suggesting that homosexuals be assaulted would most likely be considered hate speech.

I have no doubt that you honestly believe in your religion. But can you not understand there are others who honestly believe in their own religion? How about showing them some respect?

To me, ANY religion which attempts to take away the hard-won freedoms of others is not something I look upon with favor.
JackTrade read my blog view my photos
Jul 26, 2007 | 8:41 AM

Dear Cranky Man,
I totally agree with much of what you say. Sometimes we Christians are too aggressive in the public sector. I believe though, that for the most part, we have the best interests of the naion and the world at heart.
I in no way was suggesting that homosexuals have no right to live in my town, nor would I. And any suggestion that they should be assaulted or murdered is totally reprehensible to me. I remember the horror I felt a few years ago when a young man named Mattthew waas tortured to death in PA because he was a homosexual. I was very happy when the law was enforced on the men who took God's law into their own hands and killed him.
My point is, we don't need a "hate speech" law, which is unconstitutional right on the face of it.The laws against murder are already on the books. To actively seek to out anyone in harm's way by speech is as unlawful as shouting "Fire!" in a crowded theater, to use Justice Holmes' example.
I do respect the rights of others to live as they wish. But I have a duty to warn others against sinful behavior. People have thhe freedom to do what they will with the warning, but I expect to have the right to warn them without some ACLU lawyer trying to stop me. In other words my right to say that homosexuality is a sin is as legitimate as your's is to say otherwise.
I have no wish to remove the legitmate rights of anyone. I wish to see that my own are respected.
Yours truly,
Jack Trade
yellowdog read my blog view my photos
Jul 26, 2007 | 3:05 PM

If as much energy was expended in pointing out the "sin" of eating a good pork chop as is to the "sin" of homosexual persuasion, your point may have some validity. It does not and you do not.

Read on in Leviticus and see how many other "sins" are placed at the same level as man/man sin. Are you/I guility of most of these on a daily basis?
What makes man/man copulation such a target (compared to the other sins)? Is it the degree of the sin (severity) or the inherant homophobia of the judge?
By the way, our country was founded "UNDER GOD" and not as a"Christian" Nation. This is the God of Christians, Jews and Muslims. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Hawkeye read my blog
Jul 26, 2007 | 3:09 PM

See..THEREIN lies the REAL problem..


If YOU, Jack, Say that YOU disapprove of Homosexuality,,,the OTHER guy accuses YOU of saying that YOU hate the Person, or that YOU don't want them in YOUR town,etc,etc.

If THEY will say that TO you, imagine what they say ABOUT you to each other when You're NOT there to defend yourself..

Same thing with Immigration..SAY that you are against the ILLEGAL INVASION and the Other guy will call YOU Anti-Immigrant...

THOSE who attack the person instead of the Issue will ALWAYS foster contention and contempt FOR that person..And THAT is the very definition of "Hate Speech"...
Vittorio read my blog view my photos
Jul 26, 2007 | 5:07 PM

Sorry Jack; you lose. You proved the point of those that consider the Christian Right the enemy. What did you do? You just had to quote from the Bible. It's about time you folks learn that not everyone believes the Bible is the word of God. So why use a guide for healthy living to prove your point?

"I do respect the rights of others to live as they wish. But I have a duty to warn others against sinful behavior." No you don't. Re read Cranky and YD's post. If you think it's a sin, then YOU shouldn't do it, what ever it is. As long as I'm not breaking the law, leave me alone and mind your own business.


Bible Thumpers........Good grief!!
CrankyMan read my blog view my photos
Jul 26, 2007 | 8:31 PM

Jack, I'm siding with Vitorio on this. And, it involves what you think is a sin.

If you were my neighbor, and my stereo was too loud, or if the lighting on my patio was keeping you awake, I'd be more than happy to fix it for you. That's because I try to be a good neighbor.

But if you came over to tell me that I was sinning because I had people drinking alcohol, or because there was dancing, or something else that you believe is a sin, you're really doing the same thing the Taliban does, except you're not being violent about it.

And, I would resent it.
yellowdog read my blog view my photos
Jul 28, 2007 | 11:08 AM

Lets see here Hawk, "Those who attack the person instead of the issue"

I wonder which feathered friend fills those shoes? Could it be the Eagle or the Osprey?
Mikeyaintskerd read my blog
Jul 31, 2007 | 11:56 AM

You know for a christian you dont seem very christian like. First things first. Christians are attacked most simply because, lets face it, its one of the largest religions out there. Its that simple. As far as how can god bless a country full of sin and corruption the same way he can bless all your churches sin and corruption. I mean if god could not bless those of sin then he would not exsist. NO ONE IS WITHOUT SIN. That is why almost everyone believes in some for of god or other.
piratepatriot read my blog
Aug 1, 2007 | 2:19 PM

Ok.....

I enjoy religious debate....so I'm going to jump in the deep end of the theological pool.

1. According to Leviticus, God does view homosexuality as a sin. However, Leviticus also says that eating shellfish is a sin.....I guess no more lobster for me. :( Anyway.....there is nothing wrong with him saying it's a sin. And it's stupid to further complicate the penal code by adding unnecessary laws.

2. Actually YD, our Founding Fathers (the vast majority of them anyway) created our country on Christian Ideals....specifically Puritan/Protestant ideals. Ever hear of the concept of the Protestant Work Ethic? Although it was not called that in the Founding Fathers time....it is what they believed.
Hawkeye read my blog
Aug 3, 2007 | 8:34 AM

Pay attention to the Anti-Christian Comments here ..NONE are NEW..

They ARE and have ALWAYS been the Same ones for over 2000 years..

They were voiced as Christians were thrown into the pit..They were Voiced as Christians were thrown to the Beasts in the Arena and they were voiced as the spikes were driven through the flesh of Jesus Christ himself...

IT IS THE VOICE OF FEAR..........
Hawkeye read my blog
Aug 3, 2007 | 12:55 PM

YOU are CONDEMNED for Making a Judgement of right and wrong.....ONLY because YOU are a Christian...

HYPOCRACY is the cornerstone of the RELIGION,,,YES,,I said RELIGION,, of Liberalism and is indeed the very FOUNDATION upon which ALL else is based...
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