Patch_W_Adams's St Louis Blog

Sure. Why not keep voting all incumbants out till they get it right?

Oh boo frickin hoo!

We have a government!
Learn to be part of it and change it from within.
If you don't, it doesn't matter what form of government you like best because you'll get handed to you what THEY think you need.

The Founding Fathers Believed in having a Continental Congress every 10 years..

How can you change it from within ...when the Ruling Class has made sure you stay out?

Can you Run for President? Congress? Without a Party? Or money? No..they have made sure of that

Originally it was set up so People like you and I went and served our term and came back to our "Real" job... it was never intended to support the Same People in the Office or Create a career for Power Crazy Nuts....

Who appointed Mccain? Not me...did you? Why can I not find anyone who voted for him? The Parties are the Same...Socialist... they used to be American..

Oh please! We had a continental congress every 10 years because there wasn't enough reason to meet more often. If congress met every 10 years now, the world would pass us by and would sooner take over! As for people like you and I serving on a continental congress, you must be mad! We can't get people to serve on jury duty these days! We have a system! Work with it! You CAN get elected to office and not have any money but you have to work your way up and gather support and money. The more people who support you, the more money you will have to get your message out. I'm not an Obama supporter but that man seems to not come from deep pockets and yet he has gathered enough support to campaign at a national level. So dont tell me you can affect change if you dont want to. Oh...and another bad thing about a rotating citizen congress is that people can't stay informed enough these days to make an educated guess for president, much less make decisions on world issues!

I know the difference. Excuse me for not putting "contenental" in front of that. A congress is still a gathering of appointed people.

I never said that the parties we have today are the answer. I said that if your message gathers enough support, you will get what you want. That's exactly what you are trying to do i guess. I just dont believe in scrapping what we have. Get in there and work from within. If there were enough interest in a large enough 3rd party, people would back it. As it stands now, we moan when there is a close vote between just TWO parties.

Can you imagine the riots over this imaginary election...
Party "A" 33% of the votes.
Party "B" 31% of the votes.
Party "C" 36% of the votes.


And what was the margin between Bush and Gore in 2000? One-half of a percent! This country needs a clear cut winner between two sides before it can support the winner. Maybe if they had a 3 party semi-final before the final 2 party race. I fear even that would lack general support? If you doubt my analogies, look at the multi-party system they have in democratic England. No one party has the popular support of the majority of the people. Fractionating our public with more parties wont be the end-all solution you seek.

I never said Scrap it..I sai make it follow the Constitution....which is what is is failing to do...

Did you know Abraham Lincoln only won with 40% of the Vote?

Like the Declaration says:

"Pudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

So aren't we Obligated by Our Founding Fathers not to Keep the Norm if the norm is no Longer doing it's Job other than Finding new ways to Steal Ouor Freedoms and Liberty?

You and I are on the Same Side Mustang...

The only Difference is I stopped buying into what they tell me...and started looking at their actions.... Since those speak louder than any Words..

They are all Socialists...Party does nto Matter..Socialized medicine is Coming...we are going to have the government in Our Business and we have no Say...

If that isn't Tyranny..I don't know what is...

So your Price for Liberty is Stability? You would sell out the Constitution for just to go along and get along?

Well it is still a slightly Free Country so you are entitled to your Opinion....but my Freedom and Liberty Have no Price that is too High to Protect it..

"So your Price for Liberty is Stability? You would sell out the Constitution for just to go along and get along?"

No but if you have a country that is always fighting itself because the system is so fractionated as to make consensus unclear, the people will accept anything in the name of progress. Even bad things like nationalized healthcare!

"But the Bad outnumber the Good Do they not?"

I honestly don't think so. The bad just get more press.

"...we Barley "kept" the Right to Bear Arms by 1 Vote!"

The Washington DC hand gun ban, was already in place. The right was already taken away! The vote was to GIVE IT BACK! By one vote or one hundred, the right thing was done and the system worked.

"Lack of Conflict does not Peace Make...
Evidence of Comfort and Stability does not mean Freedom Exists...."

An abondance of freedom doesn't make for peace either. Without rules made by the governed, freedom is nothing more than anarchy in a rented suit! Freedom must have limits. That's why we have laws. Unjust laws are to be challenged and like in the case of the DC gun ban, struck down by a majority. I say again, the system works when we let it.

A Continental Congress falls under the Rights of peacable assembly and the Right to Approach the Government with Grievences for Redress... How is that going to make the Country Fall?

I will not Give up my Freedoms for the Sake of Peace and to get along... that is a Bull argument... No One will ever agree on Everthing...we are not machines..

It took from 1774 to 1789 for the Continental Congresses to Write the Decalration of Independence 1776 and the Constitution 1789 ...they did not all agree and they were Fractioned... The Federalists and Anti Federalists... Hell they fought Duels over Polotics. You Idea that everyone is going to get along is a pipe Dream and Unrealistic...

That is what is so Great about the Constitution...you don't have to agree or get along...as long as you stay in the Law and the Constitution is still the Rule of the Day...

But the Constitution Defends the Rights and Freedoms of the Individual....and the Government now..is doing just the opposite..