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I haven’t had time to do much bogging lately so decided to put the answer to this very complex question as a blog. I am no way speaking for the entire black race. I’ll try to explain how Jim crow laws have, and still effect the state of black Americans Today.

 

If you read Carl’s post you’ll see that Jim crow laws were on the books of some states up until the late 60’s. For arguments sake lets just say racism ended in 1967’. So that means, most black people have had 40, years to have a shot at gaining wealth. This isn’t really a Black, and White thing, it’s a RICH, and POOR thing. You guys make it a black white thing by using a small but popular % of the black population, to demonize ALL black Americans. How do you think black America got into the shape it’s in now? There are a lot of different reasons, but let me tell you how Jim Crow Laws, Effect Black Americans now.

Black people were PREVENTED from gaining wealth in America. We also were PREVENTED from buying property, investing in companies, Getting higher Educations, and many other things that builds a family’s wealth. We were shut out of job markets, and neighborhoods based on the color of our skin. MY point is that if a bigger percentage of black people were ALLOWED to gain wealth from the 1920’s- 1967. A lot more black people would have money to “pull themselves up by their boot straps“, or “put their boat in the water“. Up until late 60's a lot of black people where PREVENTED form “GAINING WEALTH “ and a real chance at the American dream and home ownership. That’s why a disproportionate amount of black people live under the poverty level today. Which in turn is part of the problem of some black Americans,now. CONTINUED IN BLOG.

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SEEDUB read my blog view my photos
Jan 16, 2008 | 10:58 AM

Jim Crow laws were wiped off the books, but hiring practices didn’t change in reality, until years later. Affirmative action promoted access to education, employment, and housing to ALL minority’s . You guy’s act as if after 1967 there was a rush to hire black people in the job market. Back then most white women, still weren‘t getting paid the same amount of money as their male counter part’s. Even though in 1940 the Michigan Supreme Court ruled that men and women that are doing the same work should get equal pay. How soon we forget. Jim Crow “laws” were outlawed, but in some places the mentality was/is still practiced.

SEEDUB read my blog view my photos
Jan 16, 2008 | 11:02 AM

Some black people felt like Nothing changed in 1967, because in their reality nothing did. A some of white America felt as if they were being forced to allow black people to live among them. FORCED TO ALLOW BLACK PEOPLE TO WORK WITH THEM. Am I right or wrong? Listen to the terminology I have to use to explain the racial climate black people were IN, during the 60’s and 70’s. We are all supposed to be equal but we were being allowed to get a piece of the American dream in 1967. This has effected mental state of the whole of black America. If you were lucky enough to get a job, you would have to deal with some people who didn’t want you there, because you were black, and showed that FACT every chance they could. You would have to learn things on the fly, because no one would want to talk to you, or show you the ropes. Like someone did when they hired on. If you did manage to get on steady. Raising in rank would be hard to do. If you did happen to get a raise or promotion, some people would say you got the raise because your black. That’s IF you were lucky enough to be allowed a chance at getting the job.

So in short, that is How Jim Crow laws have Directly effected Black America today.

car7858 read my blog view my photos
Jan 16, 2008 | 11:06 AM

Ok; For the sake of argument, the Jim Crow laws were abandoned in the 60's. That would make today's average African-American that was ABLE to be prosperous in the 35-45 year old range. What is the excuse for the years AFTER these laws and even longer after their "effects"? Today's world offers equal opportunity for all races, especially African-Americans. Good examples are the Mayors of many urban cities like Kilpatrick, the entertainment field like Oprah Winfrey-Denzel Washington, the prominent owners of business like BET, and the list can go on virtually forever. These examples are living proof that if one wants to succeed in today's society they can. Only when it is made into a racial argument or even suggested that African-Americans today suffer more than others is totally unfair and unfounded. Then again, African-Americans are not the only race that suffers from unemployment, financial hardships, and even discrimination. The Affirmative Action laws made it even easier for people of color or any minority to be in front of the line, evn if others were more qualified. Jim Crow law idealisms exist only in those that choose to fight the system rather than work with it like everyone else does.

car7858 read my blog view my photos
Jan 16, 2008 | 11:07 AM

So I agree that these Jim Crow laws did affect blacks but I don't believe that blacks suffer in today's society because of them.

car7858 read my blog view my photos
Jan 16, 2008 | 11:23 AM

I'm not saying you are entirely wrong, but to assume that ALL whites are against anything that is African-American is simply ridiculous. Whenever there is an argument or discussion on races, the white is usually singled out as the leading cause as a whole-When I write my views, I don't condemn the whole African-American race nor do I condemn the Caucasian one-I merely point out that there are thoase on both sides that use race before judging one on the basis of their character & morals. However, African-Americans have groups like NAACP and the ACLU along with Jesse Jackson & Al Sharpton that promote racist idealisms and one-sided views. These groups & people are significant reasons why racism is alive & well in America. Instead of solving the problem, they become a part of it by looking at color first. If my opinion of those particular issues are so wrong, then why don't the Caucasian race have anyone that can vouch for them when discriminated against in urban areas or when attacked either verbally or physically? Because it is a one-sided argument and that is what keeps it going in today's society. It is seen in the media, in the paers, and in the country; One race can say whatever they want about the white race but the minute any white person speaks out against blacks, it is questioned & targeted a racial act. I don't call that fair and I will address the issues of racism when Caucasians as a whole are blamed for someone's else's social issues, including the Hispanics, African-Americans, whoever. We're not all bad.

Tallmanok2 read my blog view my photos
Jan 16, 2008 | 1:26 PM

I see both of your points and I have a little to Share here. I have worked in three plants over my life time I have seen racism towards Blacks in every single one of them. Now why, well here's my view on that. The bosses in these plants were alive and lived though the Jim Crow Laws. You can change a law but it will take a lot more years to change the beliefs of people. Carl I do agree that racism is on both sides. I don't see and end to racism until groups like the NAACP, and the Klan are all abolished because they promote just their own races. I would love to see Martin's Dream come true in my life time but sadly I think it will take longer.

isthatright read my blog
Jan 16, 2008 | 2:36 PM

Dr Martin Luther King, would have something to say about the "content of one's character" if he were alive today. He would most likely be outraged by the content of character displayed today. Jim Crow laws were unfortunate for the blacks and its sad but the content of character today is what is causing the bad image.

SEEDUB... I agree with you when you say that Jim Crow laws were bad and I realize that it may have delayed the accumulation of wealth for some (obviously not all), but why won't you admit that what is popular with young black kids today(and not only kids) is doing what Jim Crow laws did 50 yrs ago. It's holding the black people back! If you see yourself as at a disadvantage then why make it worse with rebellious and offensive behavior?
I often wonder where the peaceful muslims are while all of this terror is going on. It's comparable to what is happening in the black community. The actions of a few are trashing the reputations of the rest. Where is the outrage? Bill Cosby spoke up and you know what happened to him. It's just too bad!!!

car7858 read my blog view my photos
Jan 16, 2008 | 2:50 PM

I agree Tall; The majority of people in power these days in some companies still have stinkin thinkin-But I have also worked in jobs where I was the minority and was verbally abused by African-Americans. Working at the original Greyhoud Bus Station is where I finally found that all races could work together to get the job done without all that drama & hype. Some people just don't have time to waste listening to it day after day-Their plates are already full & the bills keep on coming. It will take an effort by both races to help squash the racist ideas & practices in today's society; But many of the African-Americans need to lay off the "I'm Black, I'm First" or the "I don't care" attitudes just as the suburban & white collar Caucasians need to drop the stereotyping of them.

car7858 read my blog view my photos
Jan 16, 2008 | 2:51 PM

Let me change that last line to "just as many of the suburban...."; My error.

MichiganPerson read my blog
Jan 17, 2008 | 10:25 AM

the problem I see is that most of the blacks the younger ones cry out well we were slaves!can anyone out there show me one that was a slave and still alive today that was over two hundred years ago..maybe if they stoped crying that things will get better for everyone.oh and by the way I'm HISPANIC just in case you want to say I'm a racist because I'm not.

SEEDUB read my blog view my photos
Jan 17, 2008 | 2:49 PM

M Man
That's the same dumb chit that is spewed by most bigots. Hispanics can't be racist? ha ha ha.

Most of the blacks the younger ones cry out well we were slaves!

What black young people do YOU know that’s always saying that.

I guess with your mentality, after all of the holocaust survivors die, we can erase the event from the history books right?

SEEDUB read my blog view my photos
Jan 17, 2008 | 2:57 PM

You guys wanted too know how Jim crow and slavery has effected Black Americans today, and I told you. I think the wealth issue is a big factor in the state of black America. It’s not the only issue, but lets talk about one thing at a time.This issue can’t be fixed in forty years. Like you guys say. You do have to work hard to get what you want, a lot of your family’s had opportunities that weren’t available to black Americans until
1967. I’m sure all of you know how hard it is to get ahead in America for anybody. If it was EASY you guy’s would all be millionaires. When did your families arrived in America to pursue to “the American dream?”

carl

When has the NAACP, ACLU, Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton ever infringed on you civil rights? Or anybody for that matter? Burned a cross on your lawn or preached racial superiority? The Klan would terrorize minority’s lynch, and kill people, and you have the nerve to compare the two? HEY, I’m the first to admit The NAACP needs to change it’s mission, but the Klan, COME ON!

SEEDUB read my blog view my photos
Jan 17, 2008 | 2:59 PM

Why don't the Caucasian race have anyone that can vouch for them when discriminated against in urban areas or when attacked either verbally or physically?

You got to be chiting me!! This is what I'm talking about. You know that's not true, in a majority of cases. All throughout Americas history white Citizens could always go to the local, or state police and file reports if they were discriminated against, or attacked, either verbally, or physically. Especially if it was done by a black minority, even today. This wasn’t always true for black people. If you were a white male down south in the 60‘s, you could literally get away with murder.

SEEDUB read my blog view my photos
Jan 17, 2008 | 2:59 PM

I would think that there’s no NAAWP, because there is no need for one. The A.C.L.U is for All Americans, believe it or not. If you have been discriminated against and you didn’t get any action from the local police. Take your complaint to the ACLU, they will fight for you just like anyone else that applies for help. Don’t believe me just look in to it. The negative press spread about the ACLU is done by propagandist to put another wedge between white people and Minority’s. Most of the “pro-White” groups don’t only just preach racial pride, they teach hate, and racial superiority. Don’t believe me look it up. Go to any “pro-white” site and read what’s on there and then go to the ACLU, or NAACP sites and compare.

SEEDUB read my blog view my photos
Jan 17, 2008 | 3:01 PM

You guys always like to rant and rave about how your not racist but every other, sentence you type is about why do blacks do this, why do blacks do that. You always paint the black race with such a broad brush.

“Unless we cleanse our hearts of hate - racial and religious - This war will only be half won. We still have to stand guard against those in our midst who have been nurtured on the myths of the superior and inferior races, and who practice discrimination against fellow Americans because of the color of their skin.”

Quote by U.S. Supreme Court Justice Frank Murphy speech after Japan surrendered, to end WWII Sept. 2, 1945

bye-byeMI read my blog view my photos
Jan 17, 2008 | 6:37 PM

"When has the NAACP, ACLU, Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton ever infringed on you civil rights? Or anybody for that matter?"

I'll give you an example:

Duke Lacrosse Case.

Am I wrong? JJ, AL, and every other Black group jump all over that and smeared them for a year.

bye-byeMI read my blog view my photos
Jan 17, 2008 | 6:49 PM

I agree with some of the stuff you post, but I can't see why you bring up the past? There's White hate groups and Black hate groups and both are wrong. If you mention hate groups you need to say both sides, and there shouldn't be SIDES.

Still waiting for the post that I called Obama a Muslim. You know I never posted that, I know what religion he is, and I don't care to be honest. I just don't like the other facts I posted before.

I stick to my guns on what I post. I don't agree with affirmative action. If that burns your azz, so be it. It's 2008, and everyone has a fair shot now. You mentioned '67, OK, that was 41 years ago.

MichiganPerson read my blog
Jan 18, 2008 | 7:51 AM

SEEDUB I am NOT a RACIST for one I have been discriminated against in many jobs that I have had and not just because I'm hispanic but also because I'm a WOMAN so I know how it is JUST LET IT ROLL OFF YOUR BACK!! but you just can not let your mentaliy let it roll off your back...and no the HOLOCAUST or SLAVERY will be erased from our history books,but it is in the past so let it be if you and your community can but from what you say you can not and I feel sorry for you. and I still stand if there is anyone out there that can show me a slave thats 200 yrs.old please do.the people from the holocaust they talk about it just so it will not be forgotten but they do not tell the world that they are owed anything because it happened to them!!!!!!!

MichiganPerson read my blog
Jan 18, 2008 | 8:10 AM

they take to educate the world so THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN.so why do you not try to educate the world with out demanding that the world is given to you on a silver platter? NO you would just like to have EVEYTHING handed to you you do not want to work for what you get and neither do half of your race.I know quite a few that work so hard I think they just do not want to be grouped together with the ones who think everything is owed to them young and old a like.I keep on telling them not to worry because they will not be put in that group that they have put themselfs above the narrowminded people out there.one little boy that I work with and yes little boy he's yonger then my son he's in his 20's want to date this one girl and I keep on trying to get her to go out with him she keeps say that he is just one very special friend I tell her that the best kind to date a special friend,must be friend frist then everything else will follow.

MichiganPerson read my blog
Jan 18, 2008 | 8:27 AM

and if you want to say that calling him a little boy was racist go ahead because one person at work asked if I knew what I was saying by calling him a little boy as being a BIG RACIST as I am I said no so when they told me I went and asked him if that bothered him he said no because he knew that it was ment as a mother thing that there was no malice in saying that.so the only thing I can say is if you think anyone is a racist you might want to look in the mirror and take a good look..

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There once was a bird who didn't fly south for the winter. One day when it got really cold the bird fell to the ground, and was well on his way to freezing to death. Then along came a cow, that crapped right on the bird warming him, therefore sparing his life. The bird got so happy he started to chirp. A cat over heard the chirping from the pile of dung, uncovered the bird, and promptly ate him. The moral of the story is that somebody who puts you in chit isn’t always your enemy, and a person who get's you out of chit isn't necessarily your friend.

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