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Theistic Evolution is the Biblical account made to complement the false doctrine of organic evolution. It means more than just change or variation within a kind. It means just what atheistic evolutionists say it means, that the present creatures of today's world are the modified descendants of organisms which preceded them and that these same creatures have developed from an inanimate or nonliving source. Theistic comes from the Greek word Theos, which means God, and many intellectuals have assumed that this is "the way God did it". This term would also include threshold evolution, progressive creation, and similar concepts.

It seems that more of our young people stand in danger of accepting theistic evolution than in their acceptance of the view that leaves God out. Many seem to feel that they can still be religious and even admit faith in God and yet accept all that modern evolutionary science teaches as to the origin of this world and man upon it. Thus, a compromise is made which is fatal to any firm convictions concerning the Genesis account of creation.

Theistic evolution is not in harmony with God's word, but it is in total conflict with the Bible. Charles Darwin, the author of The Origin of Species was himself a theistic evolutionist for he could never quite get rid of the idea of God. He wrote in his first edition of the Origin, "There is a grandeur in this view of life that the creator breathed into several forms, or into one, the breath of life, and these have gone cycling on, giving rise to forms most beautiful and most wonderful to behold" (Origin of Species, 1956, J.M.Dent Co.). Now, however, there is a significant body of scientists who have reacted healthily against this trend and have insisted on the full reliability of the Biblical account of creation.

Let me mention two or three areas in the scientific disciplines which show the superiority of creation over evolution. When the best known of all the law of biology - that of life from life, or biogenesis - is mentioned, the Bible is surely correct when it intones throughout the entire first chapter of Genesis, "Each after its own kind". Each organism gives rise to others essentially like itself. Although changes may occur, they are not changes without limits. In the realm of origins, evolutionists who get the process started must fall back upon a disproven doctrine: the idea that living things are generated from non-living, or spontaneous generation. Many prominent theistic evolutionists allow God to make some large macromolecule and then leave the rest to evolutionary process. Evolution, or the commonly accepted idea of ameoba-to-man thesis, is neither fact, theory nor hypothesis. It is a belief, a faith in the religion of naturalism and scientific humanism. It contradicts what Christ said in Matthew 19:4 in which he endorsed the Genesis account of the creation when he said, "Have you not read that he which made them in the beginning made them male and female?". If God made them, why would he want to take such an infinitely long time, stretching out over aeons of time, just to make a man and a woman? Yet this is the compromise that many would make to make evolution respectable to religious people.

A close parallel with this situation existed -long ago among God's people. When the pagan Canaanite religion, with its worship of the host of heaven and Baal the Sun God were being mixed with the worship of Jehovah, the true and living God, Elijah cried out to the assembled prophets of Baal as well as to the people of Israel, "How long halt you between two opinions? If Jehovah be God, follow him; but if Baal, then follow him" I Kings 18:18-21.

Our decision then is basically one as to whether we shall try to believe the statements of the scriptures to match the current human theories and opinions, or whether we shall insist that God's Word is still right. The real question is not whether or not we believe in evolution, but rather relates to who is on the throne in our hearts - God or man. A simple reading of the first two chapters of the book of Genesis reveals so many contradictions between the Bible account of creation and the theory of evolution that our eyes must be closed very tightly in order not to see them.

Some obvious examples are as follows: The Bible disagrees with the theory of evolution by saying that land plants were created before water life (Gen.1:11,20); that green plants were created before the sun (Gen.1:11,16); that land plants were created before they grew in the earth (Gen. 2:5); that before Adam was made alive he had nostrils (Gen. 2:7); that the male was created before the female (Gen. 2:23); that the very first man had a language and could speak freely (Gen. 2:23). These are only a few of the obvious contradictions between the account of the Bible and the theory of evolution.

A common rule for understanding any book, including the Bible, is that its language is to be accepted as being literal unless there is evidence to the contrary. There is not the slightest evidence that the Genesis account should be accepted as only a figurative story. It is, on the contrary, supported by numerous similar scriptures in the New Testament, such as I Timothy 2:13, Romans 5:12-14; I Corinthians 15:22; Luke 3:23-38; Mark 10:6. But if we choose to take the position that the Genesis account is figurative even without evidence, then we must wrestle with the question, when do the statements of the Bible become accurate and real? If Adam was not literally a real person, was Noah real? was Abraham? was Moses? was Christ? The theory of theistic evolution is a dead end road to a shattered faith.

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dprin339 read my blog view my photos
Jun 27, 2008 | 7:24 AM

girlyscout, explain please how THIS follows the word of God. Nowhere in the Bible does it refer to anything evolving into anything else.

"Each after its own kind". please explain to me how THIS fits with THAT! how is it the "each after its own kind" fits with anything "evolving" into something else.

btw, i searched for your assertion that Catholics believe this, didn't find anything. please share a link or something. Also, I asked my sister, who IS Catholic & she says that's not correct either, Catholic's believe the Bible.

girlscout read my blog view my photos
Jun 27, 2008 | 7:26 AM

I am really getting upset that you keep saying that my belief is a dead end to shattered faith. THAT IS ONLY YOUR OPINION! You cannot prove that you are right and I am wrong.
And why does my belief and others upset you so much? Why do you care what we believe? And what is your source for this information?

girlscout read my blog view my photos
Jun 27, 2008 | 7:30 AM

Go to google or ask.com and type in Catholic view on Evolution. I found it with no problem. BTW, did yuor sister go to a Catholic School? They teach evolution in Science class in Catholic schools.
The Catholic Church's stand on theistic evolution is what the church believes. Each indivdual Christian's thoughts are varied as the fish in the ocean.

girlscout read my blog view my photos
Jun 27, 2008 | 7:32 AM

I'm getting tired of repeating this! Of course the Bible doesn't say anything about evolution. The early writer's of the Bible didn't know what evolution was! Why doesn't the Bible say anything about airplanes or electricity or cars? Because they didn't exist yet.

girlscout read my blog view my photos
Jun 27, 2008 | 7:35 AM

I just went to ask.com and typed in Catholic church and Evolution. There are MANY links.

girlscout read my blog view my photos
Jun 27, 2008 | 7:47 AM

Interesting that you put this blog under Politics, instead of Faith...

dprin339 read my blog view my photos
Jun 27, 2008 | 7:55 AM

okay girlscout, i will look again. no, my sister didn't go to catholic school, does that make her any less Catholic? any less Christian?

the writer of the bible is God and God alone. the SCRIBERS were the men CHOSEN by God to scribe. of course they didn't know anything about evolution, because it doesn't exist in reality, only in the non-believers minds. if evolution really WAS something that God had done, then it would be in the Bible, clear as day. But it's not.............not anywhere. the comparison of airplanes, cars, etc. is so ironic. Of course airplanes, cars & the like aren't in the Bible, they are created by MAN (with God's permission) just like that THEORY of evolution. Created by MAN not GOD.

How is it that you can justify doubting the word of God without any shred of any proof whatsoever that evolution isn't more than just some theory? There is NO PROOF that this theory is even CLOSE to true, NONE. But, the word of God is ABSOLUTE & TRUE. How can you deny this? I just don't understand.........the two things are directly contrary & cannot be blended.

I realize that you are getting irritated, and I am sorry, but I am as well. If you will show me in the Bible where there is the slightest hint of anything remotely close to evolution, then I will read it & study it, if you will do the same & read the entire book of Genesis & study it. Deal?

Look, I don't want to drive a wedge between us, honestly, I am just as irritated as you are. I see that you feel like i am doubting your faith or christianity, but you are doubting the word of God. (IMO)

dprin339 read my blog view my photos
Jun 27, 2008 | 8:01 AM

The Catholic Position


What is the Catholic position concerning belief or unbelief in evolution? The question may never be finally settled, but there are definite parameters to what is acceptable Catholic belief.

Concerning cosmological evolution, the Church has infallibly defined that the universe was specially created out of nothing. Vatican I solemnly defined that everyone must "confess the world and all things which are contained in it, both spiritual and material, as regards their whole substance, have been produced by God from nothing" (Canons on God the Creator of All Things, canon 5).

The Church does not have an official position on whether the stars, nebulae, and planets we see today were created at that time or whether they developed over time (for example, in the aftermath of the Big Bang that modern cosmologists discuss). However, the Church would maintain that, if the stars and planets did develop over time, this still ultimately must be attributed to God and his plan, for Scripture records: "By the word of the Lord the heavens were made, and all their host [stars, nebulae, planets] by the breath of his mouth" (Ps. 33:6).

Concerning biological evolution, the Church does not have an official position on whether various life forms developed over the course of time. However, it says that, if they did develop, then they did so under the impetus and guidance of God, and their ultimate creation must be ascribed to him.

Concerning human evolution, the Church has a more definite teaching. It allows for the possibility that man’s body developed from prev

awnc08 read my blog
Jun 27, 2008 | 8:01 AM

It is the same old problem, humans hearing the old lie, "Did God really say?" Once we start questioning what the Bible says, and try to "fit" it into human theories and scientific (if you can call them that) presumptions, then anything goes.
The answer is to start with the Bible and if something does not "fit," then we must not know everything. What a novel idea: we don't know everything! So we have to believe the One who does!!!

dprin339 read my blog view my photos
Jun 27, 2008 | 8:03 AM

contd:
Concerning human evolution, the Church has a more definite teaching. It allows for the possibility that man’s body developed from previous biological forms, under God’s guidance, but it insists on the special creation of his soul. Pope Pius XII declared that "the teaching authority of the Church does not forbid that, in conformity with the present state of human sciences and sacred theology, research and discussions . . . take place with regard to the doctrine of evolution, in as far as it inquires into the origin of the human body as coming from pre-existent and living matter—[but] the Catholic faith obliges us to hold that souls are immediately created by God" (Pius XII, Humani Generis 36). So whether the human body was specially created or developed, we are required to hold as a matter of Catholic faith that the human soul is specially created; it did not evolve, and it is not inherited from our parents, as our bodies are.

notice the ambivelent language usage girlyscout, the "IF", the "no official position" etc they are sitting on the fence here........
While the Church permits belief in either special creation or developmental creation on certain questions, it in no circumstances permits belief in atheistic evolution.

dprin339 read my blog view my photos
Jun 27, 2008 | 8:07 AM

girlyscout, it IS political and it shouldn't be, EVER.

besides, MOST of my stuff gets posted here whether it is or not........it's a habit LOL

dprin339 read my blog view my photos
Jun 27, 2008 | 8:13 AM

There is simply no way of reshaping the Bible into a book that also somehow supports the theory of evolution. If we are brave enough to accept the creation account at face value, then theistic evolution becomes impossible to believe. We cannot believe both the Bible and evolution. Both Old and New Testaments consistently support the account of the divine creation of Adam and Eve.

girlscout read my blog view my photos
Jun 27, 2008 | 9:11 AM

THAT IS YOUR OPINION! And I have mine and am secure in what my faith teaches me. So, I am done with this subject as it is becoming a waste of my time. I am not converting you to my way of thinking and you are not converting me to your way of thinking.
Your comment of 10:01am was way too simplified. I found pages and pages of info on popes, cardinals, etc. stating the belief in theistic evolution. It would take all day to post it all and I don't really have the time.
No, your sister is no less a Catholic because she didn't attend Catholic school, and I didn't say that she was. You are putting words in my mouth.
As to your comment of 9:55, sorry, I believe there IS PROOF.
Don't worry about me, princess. Me and the Lord are good. I believe what Jesus teaches, I believe the laws of the commandments. These are what's important.

dprin339 read my blog view my photos
Jun 27, 2008 | 9:54 AM

okay girlyscout, in the interest of friendship i will shut up!

but, just so you know, the bible isn't subject to OPINIONS it is the absolute word of God. not MY opinion nor yours.........God's word.

smile dear it's friday

girlscout read my blog view my photos
Jun 27, 2008 | 10:01 AM

But yur intrepretation of God's Word and mine are different. You believe God means one thing - I believe he means another.
Yes, I'm SMILING - T.G.I.F.

fuberea read my blog view my photos
Jun 27, 2008 | 11:02 AM

The bible is a lie . Religon is B.S.. Its obvious what really happend people are just too afraid to belive it. People back then werent intelligent enough to know if there was a god or not. They werent smart enough to see the truth. Evoulution is real. When religon was started a war was started. The war is still going on and will keep going on. Just becuase of a book that some idiot who wasnt smart enough to figure out what was really goin on.

tem123 read my blog
Jun 27, 2008 | 3:50 PM

If fuberea you believe that the Bible is a lie, then why is there so many translations? And also, how can you make the assumption that people were not intelligent enough to know if there was a god or not? Some of the modern technologies came from the crude inventions of the past, so there were intelligent people back then also.
We do have the intelligence to know what is right or wrong, as well as to investigate claims from people who think they are right and those who don't believe like them are stupid.
I don't know everything, however I do look stuff up and read things that do contradict each other, so I have some idea of what I'm talking about.

clevebtch read my blog view my photos
Jun 27, 2008 | 5:41 PM

One question - if there are people who say we "evolved" from monkeys, fish, or otherwise, then what or WHO created the wild life, plant life, etc. for this alleged evolution to occur? Somehow, even the smallest form of life had to start somewhere. So, what's the answer? I don't care if it's a single-cell organism - from where did it come and/or how?

fuberea read my blog view my photos
Jun 27, 2008 | 8:54 PM

Who? Water created life. Ever grown a plant before?

fuberea read my blog view my photos
Jun 27, 2008 | 8:55 PM

Oh im sure that god told you that the plant came before the water. Right?

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