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The argument that gays in the military will cause division within the ranks because gays will gravitate toward each other doesn't hold! The prejudicial attitude exemplified by the responses to this issue make it clear our society has some growing up to do. Naturally, people who have things in common will gravitate toward each other. It's not always the case, but African-Americans will tend to congregate, as will caucasians and latinos within their respective groups. Does such congregating cause division within the ranks? Should we have separate branches of each military branch to accommodate various racial groups? Why should we discriminate against gays?! Gay people exist in every segment of society, and those joining the military probably don't exhibit stereotypical mannerisms, so most troops wouldn't even realize they're serving with a gay person.

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klh1886 read my blog view my photos
Mar 13, 2007 | 7:07 AM

That is true. When I was in the military. Years ago. I was in a room with 7 other women. Which I found out towards the end of boot camp that 5 of the 8 were lesbian. However the military found out also and all 5 were dishonerably discharged.

imrandy read my blog view my photos
Mar 13, 2007 | 8:04 AM

Obviously, the times are a-changin', but there's still a ways to go. It's a shame they weren't honorably discharged, and I think the military should make amends and give them honorable discharges. I know there are those people out there who will say they violated policy--policy, schmolicy! The policy is changing becuase it was wrong. It used to be some homosexuals were labeled communists. Well, McCarthyism is dead! Discrimination against anyone is discrimination against everyone--to paraphrase the famous quote. And hate is hate--it doesn't matter how people try to justify it.

Ellak read my blog view my photos
Mar 13, 2007 | 10:43 AM

Ellak
Mar 13, 2007 | 12:24 PM
I'm all for equal rights for everyone. However, being a 20yr Retired Vet. It may be hard to except Gay's in the Service today. Living conditions are at times 90 people to a 10x20 Berthing. Also, At times of war, you may have to share a sleeping bag for body heat to stay alive. Is it fair for the none Gay person to be the blunt Jokes by the Majoraty striaght service members? After all, people will be people. The sevice is very streesfull. By the way, in a real war time situation, the time it took to dicuse this matter and get comfortable and not concentrate on the mission, We could both be Dead. until being Gay is excepted by all, (and I belive it should, and will in time), The Military should not be the place to start just yet. In addition, Think of it as Men and Women living together. sleeping together and showering together in the service, during war in a bunker etc? As good as it may sound, It probably is not practical just yet. I should be a slow procces and not be thrown at somone all at once, Things take time. With proper traing and sensativity training, It may be able to happen.

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imrandy read my blog view my photos
Mar 13, 2007 | 11:37 AM

Prejudice is prejudice, and I'm sure there are racists in the military who must get along with people whom they wouldn' ordinarily associcate. I don't see why gay people can't be gotten along with by homophobes. People just need to get along no matter what the circumstances. Otherwise, we'll all kill each other. Who is to say that two so-called "straight" men might not have a situation where they must share a sleeping bag. What's the point?! Would a "straight" person refuse survival because someone is gay? Just because someone is gay doesn't mean they want to have sex or may become aroused in such a situation. We need people to realize that. What would happen if one or both of the straight guys got aroused? Do you understand? We're talking about survival, not sex. It's never fair for someone to be the brunt of jokes, especially when the jokes are hateful. I suppose we should assume all people are ignorant and hateful. It's like saying "boys will be boys" and do stupid things like sexually harrass females, etc. It's wrong! Should we assume gay people can't handle stress? I'm gay, and I handle stress on a daily basis. I would hope the military isn't discussing this matter in the field. It should just be that gay people may or may not be your colleague in the field, just as various races may or may not be in the field. I'm sorry, but homosexuality will never be accepted by all people, just as not all races are accepted by all people. It's just not going to happen. Acceptance of gay isn't beginning with the military. Obviously, it isn't accepted by a great percentage of society

imrandy read my blog view my photos
Mar 13, 2007 | 4:54 PM

For some reason, my previous response was totally removed, which really begins to make me think this system is censored (even though I don't believe I said anything wrong). I used the word "arroused," but if my posting was removed because of that word, I may never post here again. Anyway, my point is that people shouldn't assume simply because someone is gay that they might somehow be attracted to or arroused when confronted by the sight of other men, whether it is in the shower or walking done the street. It's about self-control, and we all have it. Concern about survival in a sleeping bag or showering together is ridiculous! The military is not the first place gay people would like to be treated equally, but our tax dollars support the military, so why shouldn't gays receive equal treatment. Hateful, prejudicial jokes are never appropriate; but gays have dealt with it for years. And we've dealt with the stress of being "out," so being out in the military really isn't all that much different.

Ellak read my blog view my photos
Mar 13, 2007 | 9:17 PM

To You It may be ridiculas. However, Most people in the military do not see thing's your way. I've been there, and I am just letting You Know the frame of mind of most people on Duty. Armed forces have strange traditions and views that have been around for over 200 years. Day one of boot camp they tell you up front the military has no room for you if your gay. As far as the sleeping bag, No person would say no to stay alive. It's the ridicual that you have to deal with back at the Barrack's. Is it wrong? Yes it is! what can you do. I do agree with you on all levels of equality. I also wish you the best. Things will change, Change takes time. As far as your Stress, If Your's is by choice to be open? Is it possible Your choice can make a Un-Gay Roomate in the Military Stressfull and open to Ridicual by others if he or she has no choice who to room with. That's exactly what happens. I'vf seen it. Is it wrong? yes of course!!! People seem to be rude. Why people feel the need to ridicual people based on religion, race, or sexual pref I'll never understand. I hope I did not offend you in any way. I was made fun of just for being Jewish!!

Ellak read my blog view my photos
Mar 13, 2007 | 9:40 PM

Randy, Please take it easy on Me. I'm Not the Military. The BLOG read repeal don't ask don't tell, I just wanted to give a little insite as to why they may not do that so Fast. However, This much I will say, I would be proude to serve next to You.

imrandy read my blog view my photos
Mar 19, 2007 | 9:52 AM

I understand, and thank you for being open minded!

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