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Just Another Brick in the Wall

by jabitw from Central Florida

Last Post 14 days, 12 hours Ago


I took some time tonight to scan through some of my favorite blogs - many of which were clearly anti-war (at least against the war in Iraq). Many touted the cost of the war, complained that we still haven't received the benefits we were supposed to reap from it, and the 'quagmire' in which we find ourselves. I think it's time I finally responded. Bear with me, I have a lot of thoughts and a lot of things that many of you will find utterly distasteful. This is my perspective, I could be right. You'll never know unless you read to the end.

Let me begin by telling you a story. I was married once. It wasn't one of those three-week courting periods. We dated for nearly three and a half years before we married. The marriage itself lasted eleven and a half years. For those weak in math, that's about fifteen years. I was 31 when I divorced. I had spent nearly half my life with one woman. I'll spare you all the details of the disaster - we both had our issues and I will confess that ultimately the divorce came at my insistence..

The point is, I went into this relationship with the absolute best of intentions. This was the woman I wanted to be with my whole life. I was in love - or so I thought. I knew that we could make it and that nothing could ever tear us apart. We had good jobs, good educations, a great church, awesome friends. What could every go wrong? Well, I'll tell you...Life. To be perfectly honest, within two years of being married, I realized that the things she wanted in life were not the things I wanted. In our defense, how could we know who we would grow up to be? We never fought much. We just let our anger and bitterness steep and simmer until the only clear option was divorce.

It wasn't easy. In many ways, we were both miserable, but both of us were ultimately thrilled at the decision I had made. What nobody could predict is that her new husband would decide it was his right to start beating my kids. Not spanking - I mean hitting, choking and throwing them around a room when he got angry. That's when the marriage mistake became an unmitigated disaster. Please don't offer your sympathies on this. The issue has been resolved and my kids are now big enough to kick his a$$, should he get out of line again. Let's focus on the relevance of this to the wars in Iraq.

Without re-hashing all the reasons for the initial invasion - whether they be legitimate or not, whether they be just or not. - the fact remains that when this invasion occurred the numbers in support of the President and this action were staggeringly overwhelming. For the record, I don't think anything President Bush said while making his case for the war were lies. Some things may have turned out to be inaccurate - even wrong - but a lie is, by definition, a willing misrepresentation of the truth. I believe that the President was absolutely convinced that the information he presented was accurate. But that's a different Blog...

This brings me to my argument that we have (or more accurately - have had) two wars in Iraq. I'm not referring to Desert Storm. When we invaded In 2003 we had a mission - to take out Sadaam Hussein. We accomplished that mission with incredible efficiency. When President Bush stood on the aircraft carrier under the banner that stated "Mission Accomplished", the fact is we had accomplished the primary mission of the war. I see this as somewhat akin to my dating period with my ex...when I said 'I do', my mission was accomplished.

Many love to post quotes made by U.S. Officials about how the Iraqis would welcome us as liberators. These posters also like to say that never happened. I hate to burst their bubbles, but it DID happen. I spent weeks glued to the television watching hour after endless hour of the war and the aftermath. I watched live as our soldiers worked together with the citizens of Baghdad to tear down the statue of Sadaam and step on it's face or smack it in the face with their shoes. I watched hundreds of Iraqis hug and kiss our soldiers. When the Americans moved through town, the Iraqi citizens lined the streets like some sort of parade and waved the American Flag. We were hailed at liberators and welcomed by the vast majority of citizens. Then the honeymoon ended.

Nobody can deny that mistakes were made. Borders weren't secured. The first vestiges of an insurgency were not quelled. The Baath party and the Iraqi military were disbanded. Like with my marriage - life happened. What could have - and SHOULD have been a swift resolution to the war, simply fell apart. This is what I consider to be analogous to my divorce, and the start of the second war in Iraq.

You see, the second war has nothing to do with Sadaam. It has everything to do with al-Qaeda, Iran and those Iraqis that are, in essence, the equivalent of the Taliban in Afghanistan. These three groups believe that all people - not just Iraqis - should live under Sharia Law and view democracy as the enemy of God. Based on their common goals, these groups initially saw our troops as the core enemy. Their problem was thatno matter how many casualties we took, the resolution of our President quickly became evident. We had learned our lesson from Desert Storm (i.e. we told the Iraqi people to rise up and fight Sadaam, then pulled out and left them to be slaughtered). I, for one, am glad that SOMEONE in this country still believes that if you don't know your history, you are doomed to repeat it.

Our mistakes in the war soon came back to haunt us. In the same way neither myself nor my ex could have anticipated the actions of her new husband, we could not have anticipated the insurgency and the way it caught hold. But the Iraqi people had become our children - a fledgling democracy. As such, we can no more abandon them in their infancy than any (sane) parent could toss their child in a dumpster and walk away. We created them and we have the responsibility to teach them, coddle them, and watch them grow until they are able to sustain themselves.

The fact is, as much as I would like to go back and correct the mistakes I made in my marriage (like saying 'I Do'), the reality is that I am stuck where I am. I am a better man for it. When I first learned what the step-dad was doing, I had to make a choice. Protecting my kids was obvious and came without saying. However, I had to choose between what I wanted to do (you can only imagine), and the right thing to do. I chose to leave my fighting to the attorneys. How much it cost was irrelevant - and believe me, it was far more than substantial.

What I'm saying is, we went into this war with the best of intentions. If it had all gone according to plan, our troops would all be back home and George Bush would be the greatest President in modern history. But life happens and we are where we are. I, as much as anybody else, would love nothing more than to pull our troops out and celebrate their bravery, honor and service. The reality is, we still have a lot of work to do - however personally distasteful as that may be.

The one outstanding issue I feel I need to address is this misconception that Bush, Cheney and McCain want to keep our troops there for a hundred years. Anyone that believes that is intellectually bankrupt. Never have any of them stated such a desire. All three have, however, stated the commitment to do so - should that be necessary. After all, if your child were born with DOWNS, how long would you, as a parent, be willing to care for that child? There is some fact behind the notion that we will have troops there for decades - after all, how long have we had troops in Germany? Lets see....2008 - 1945 = 63 years and counting...but only the first few of those were actually war years. Today we enjoy a healthy and (generally) safe presence in the country of a former enemy.

Remember, when you get all knotted up about this stuff, try looking at it from the big picture. Think of it as taking the Ferari you have the opportunity to steel today - at the cost of your family, home and job tomorrow. Then ask yourself, Obama or McCain - which plan protects your children and grandchildren. Our soldiers are willing to pay the price with blood, body parts and their lives, so who are you to quibble about the dollars and cents?
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eriknami read my blog
May 14, 2008 | 9:37 AM

LMAO!!!!! Your mistake cost heartache for you, your wife, and your children. NOT thousands of Americans, and our economy. What you believe, and what is fact, are obviously two different things. Now that it is public record, not one report from any intelligence agency reported that he had WMD and was a threat to the US. It was willful misrepresentation from our fearless leader. In fact, the reports said exactly the opposite. The Iraqi people are NOT my children. If we spent billions of dollars a month, like in Iraq, maybe we could find places for all the homeless AMERICAN children. Those are my children. If GWB would have read his fathers book, it clearly stated why we did not invade Baghdad the first time, in fact, it's happening right now. You tell us to look at the big picture. I do. Where does Osama bin Forgotten fall into YOUR big picture. Maybe, if we have the resources after Bush's revenge trip, then we'll go get the man who savagely attacked Americans. But first, lets save our children in Iraq. LMAO. There are many countries that think Dumb and Dumber should be put on trial, like Hussein. Because they believe our values are wrong, does that give them the right to invade our country, and force their values on us. NO. I love America, the American values. You were intelligent enough when your wifes new boyfriend started abusing your children, you didn't go kill him..Maybe the Bush's can learn from you.

eriknami read my blog
May 14, 2008 | 9:53 AM

You also mention how the numbers approved Bush's plan. Maybe, if he had told the truth, the numbers would have been different. We'll never know, because he did not. Obama wants to take our troops from Iraq and move them to Afghanistan. My opinion, that is protecting my children and grandchildren. Might not be protecting Bush's investment in oil and weapons. You also mention the HUNDREDS of Iraqis kissing our soldiers. Hundreds are a pretty small percentage compared to the millions in Iraq. Also the THOUSANDS of American lives we've lost. You obviously took care of the situation your children were in without invading his house and killing him. I so believe Hussein got what he desereved, but I would feel safer for my family if Bin Forgotten was hanging from the gallows. Remember shock and awe. Well, I'm shocked at GWB arrogance and awed at his stupidity

jabitw read my blog
May 14, 2008 | 12:24 PM

Thank you for proving my point, erik. Your response highlights everything I said about those that oppose the war and the reasons we have the absolute moral mandate to stay there.

Tell me, if we went there to take their oil, where is it? How have we secured "Bushes investments in oil"?

The vast majority of monies spent on the war have gone to domestic causes - companies that build humvees, tanks, bombs, and to our soldiers and their families. Money that spurred the U.S. economy.

Clearly you convinced that the President lied, that he is stupid and that this was a war to acquire oil and extract revenge. You can't even discuss the topic for two paragraphs without reducing yourself to petty name calling. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and we will find Bin Laden eventually - it's not like he's living here in the U.S. If he were, we'd have had him after just a couple of days. Here he is considered a mass murderer. Among the extremists he is a prized asset and is well protected. If you think you'd have any better luck finding him, the Marines are looking for a few good men. Maybe you will qualify.

I said I SAW hundreds of citizens welcome our troops. I didn't say I saw EVERY welcome that took place. That was a ridiculous attempt to bolster your case.

If you want to tout facts, document your evidence. Cite your references. Don't laugh in my face and call me stupid; prove me wrong. If you can do that, I'll be happy to make a public admission of my mistakes.

Oh, and for the record, the only real mistake I made im my marriage was ever taking her on a second date.

yellowdog read my blog view my photos
May 14, 2008 | 1:06 PM

It is a proven fact that intel was "cherry picked" mostly by Tenant and Cheney.

The support for the war was large because the "BIG LIE" was that Saddam was supporting Al Qaeda. Not true at all. Saddam NEVER had anything to do with 9-11.

I personally believe Bush wanted Saddam dead nbecause of the plot to kill Bush Sr. (can't prove it but it makes sense).

The lack of planning for a post Saddam regime is the biggest flaw in starting the war.

The biggest CRIME has been the loss of focus on the enemy who REALLY caused 9-11, Osama and the Taliban.

We are in a mudhole into which we will pour TRILLIONS of $$$ and THOUSANDS of lives...FOR WHAT?

So the Iraqis can kill each other and us when we get in the way?

Our "Exit strategy" is what?

I'll tell you what, it's to declare victory and leave with our tails between our legs and lick our wounds.

Why?

Because we elected a cowboy who was WAY in over his head and ill equipped to make an informed and intelligent decision.

BTW, another casualty is our Constitution and our freedoms. Can you spell Patriot Act, Illegal Wiretaps. Presidential Signings? Geneva Convention violations. Loss of RESPECT in the ENTIRE world?

But I like your analogy and your train of thought and parallels. Good job. I just disagree.

DEOP read my blog view my photos
May 14, 2008 | 1:48 PM

"How have we secured "Bushes investments in oil"?"

Have you noticed the price of a barrel of oil since bush's invasion?
Have you noticed the price of a share of stock in big oil during the occupation?
Bush couldn't care about lowering the cost of oil and it's associated products. That would not be good for his familys investments.

DEOP read my blog view my photos
May 14, 2008 | 2:03 PM

Wasn't "Another Brick in the Wall" sung by Pink Floyd?

jabitw read my blog
May 14, 2008 | 2:55 PM

Yellowdog...please provide documentation for your proof. Until then, you are only expressing an opinion. However, I agree with you on the Patriot Act. Although, having actually read it, the vast majority of the language only modifies the laws pertaining to organized crime (i.e. makes terrorist activities an organized crime). In that respect, it has not taken away any of our rights. Things that concern me far more than the Patriot Act are FISA laws and The Real ID Act of 2005. In other words, you have the right idea, but cite the wrong laws to support your case.

DEOP...please provide for me the portfolio of investments by the President, Vice President, and their families. Only then can you PROVE that they benefit from high oil prices. This would be evidence of a conflict of interest, and could actually prove that he committed a crime in this area. If such evidence existed, I'm sure that Pelosi, Clinton, Kennedy or one of their willing cohorts at the New York Times, Washington Post or CBS, ABS or NBS would gladly plater the evidence everywhere. Think about your accusations. Choose your words carefully.

FYI: I'm not a fan of GW. However, I don't believe that he is a selfish, greedy, vindictive, arrogant putz that so many make him our to be. I believe he is just a man doing the best he knows how. Sometimes we get good results, sometimes bad. Life happens.

jabitw read my blog
May 14, 2008 | 3:01 PM

Oh..."Another Brick in the Wall" was a song by Pink Floyd from the album, "The Wall", orignally released in 1979.

eriknami read my blog
May 14, 2008 | 4:41 PM

Where are your facts. Where's your proof
Because Dumb says so.
The best he knows how
He couldn't beat my 5th graders P.E. class in a game of war. Like father, like son.
The only thing I said about actual reports was the reports on WMD and threat to U.S.
I believe I read those on CNN.com. I will research a little tonight, but I think that is where it came from. Released about 45 days ago.
I served my country for 20 yrs, Marines. DD214 to for documentation. Why aren't you there. If you think it's so noble and we have absolute moral mandate to stay. I was in the first fiasco.
You boast proof: Where's yours, Where is your documentation. I saw the same couple hundred Iraqis hugging our troops, can you prove there were more. You said you didn't see every welcome. Prove it. I think you saw the majority.
Many countries think Bush is a mass murder. Here, he is not well supported, but he is well protected.

DEOP read my blog view my photos
May 14, 2008 | 4:47 PM

You gotta be kidding, Floy, uh jabitw. You've never heard of the Bush family connections to big oil, huh?

eriknami read my blog
May 14, 2008 | 4:53 PM

Sometimes good, sometimes bad. For a marriage OK, but not my country. If this is the best he knows how, then he's a pretty stupid person. I like to believe we wouldn't elect such an idiot, so i stick with arragont, vindictive, and selfish. Sorry for the petty name calling, but it is what it is.

eriknami read my blog
May 14, 2008 | 5:09 PM

Here you go jabitw. More to come, have things to do, but will get you documentation on the ACTUAL, READABLE, reports from CIA,FBI, and more than one UN inspector on Husseins WMD, and threat to U.S.
Hope too see some of yours soon. LMAO

www.bushwatch.com/bushmoney.htm - 47k
www.bushwatch.com/bushcarlyle.htm - 19k

yellowdog read my blog view my photos
May 14, 2008 | 5:09 PM

Perception is reality Jab.

GW cannot complete a simple sentence consisting of more than 8 words.

He has bungled the war on terror, the oil crisis, deficit spending, assault on rights, regard for human rights, diplomatic standing in the world, no progress in the middle east......a simpler question...what HAS the boy done to make you proud?

DEOP read my blog view my photos
May 14, 2008 | 5:18 PM

According to the 2007 tax return of Gearge & Laura Bush, the following income is reported from "The Lone Star Trust":
Interest $254,668
Dividends $16,544
Royalties $2,691
Unfortunately, Schedules B & E do not show the type of partnership that "The Lone Star Trust" is.

Fortunately, if you file a Schedule C you also list the Principal Business.
George & Laura Bush's 2001 Income Tax Return included a Schedule C for "The Lone Star Trust".
The Principal Business = OIL & GAS PRODUCTION

So what was that you said about a conflict of interest & committing a crime?

http://www.taxhistory.org/www/website.nsf/Web/President
ialTaxReturns

yellowdog read my blog view my photos
May 14, 2008 | 6:35 PM

Could this be FREAK, incognito?


OH, JOY TO THE WORLD!!!!


Out PAl has returned.

REJOICE, REJOICE...there is hope for the world!!!!


Is Hawk hiding somewhere amongst us?

eriknami read my blog
May 14, 2008 | 7:12 PM

Heres another one, the list goes on
How George W. Bush made his millions:
www.wsws.org/articles/2002/aug2002/bush-a01.shtml.
DEOPs accusations and words seem to be chosen very carefully.

You seem so up-to-date and knowledgeable on Bush surely you know who the Carlyle Group is.
If not, you will after checking out the links.

yellowdog read my blog view my photos
May 14, 2008 | 7:28 PM

the Skull and Bones Society is another evil enterprise of the "Clan of Bushes".

eriknami read my blog
May 14, 2008 | 7:47 PM

BTW, I didn't say he went there to take their oil, i said to protect his investment. Choose your words wisely.

YD: I think you've got something on the revenge thing. Have always believed it , but cant prove it

eriknami read my blog
May 14, 2008 | 8:15 PM

Here's more, cant help it, hit a sore spot with me.
www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm

This is a must read:
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0208-05.htm

yellowdog read my blog view my photos
May 14, 2008 | 9:18 PM

It was a happy day in Kennebunkport when Saddam's neck was stretched.

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