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by jabitw from Central Florida

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Now illegals are suing for O.T.
Jun 4, 2008 | 2:19 PM
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All right. I've had enough. This latest attempt flies in the face of every citizen that works hard and follows the rules.

To illustrate my point, let's look at Bob. Mr. Nobody. He's followed the rules but falls on hard times. In a final act of desperation he robs a bank. The money he steals, he invests in his business and becomes very successful. Does he deserve the money from the business? What if he repays the bank with interest? I can't see any of you saying he should get anything from his illegal act but a long prison sentence. However, someone that commits a felony by entering this country illegally not only feel entitled to take whatever they want, they are now demanding that they get the same rights as citizens of this country. I may not be politically correct here, but they don't deserve a damn thing - except a one-way ticket to prison (or back to their country of origin - whether that be Mexico, China, or Great Brittan). The argument that they are here to do jobs that Americans won't do is BLEEP. Stated accurately, they are here to do jobs that Americans wont do at the pay rates offered. Pay me enough money and I'll do nearly anything.

Look, I'm all for legal immigration and I think we need more of it. The fact is that right now it is easier to enter this country illegally than it is to enter legally. If we relax the rules to come in legally and harden the borders with every resource (electronic surveillance, manpower, fences, land mines, whatever it takes), we could stem the tide of illegals to a trickle. If we cripple businesses that willingly hire illegals (thereby eliminating jobs for illegals), there would be no reason to come here illegally.

As for those illegals that are here already, they can't possibly be working and 'paying taxes' without committing at least one more felony - false identification or identification theft. But you know what? I'm willing to overlook even that - if they follow these simple steps:
1. Register as a Non-Citizen resident. Give a reasonable time frame like 6-12 months to get registered. Anyone that doesn't registered will be hunted down and deported.
2. Meet reasonable requirements in learning both spoken and written English.
3. Maintain consistent, full-time employment. This is not to say that they should be deported if they lose a job and it takes a month to find a new one. But after a grace period, they must remain employed two days for every day of unemployment - maybe 3:1. My argument here is that if they can't be employed at least eight months our of every 12, they aren't contributing to our society and must return to their country of origin.
4. If they commit any felony, they will. in exchange for a suspended sentence, be deported. They will not be eligible to return to this country - even to visit. If they are caught in this country for any reason they will serve their sentence and be deported. If they return again, they will receive five years hard labor and be deported.
5. As a Non-Citizen Resident, they will have no right to vote.

These rules are harsh, I admit, but compared to what you would get if you illegally entered any other country, they're pretty fair.

My whole point is this: Come to the United States. We welcome you! Just follow our laws - beginning with how you enter the country and we'll get along just fine.
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thebradleys read my blog
Jun 4, 2008 | 4:23 PM

Repeat after me:

As the Land of Opportunity we have an OPPORTUNITY to support those who claim they are incapable of taking an OPPORTUNITY to lift themselves up for ANY reason, and we must do so WITHOUT discrimination.

Now write it 100 times.

When you are done I will give you a cold cloth for your head and some aspirin and you can sit with the rest of us and ponder the wonder of it all.

You know what's the worst of it? Some fool AMERICAN attorney came up with the idea. Oh you just KNOW one did.
thebradleys read my blog
Jun 4, 2008 | 4:25 PM

PS. That's actually a mighty insightful bio you wrote there - You have a flair for speaking.
PBHunt1020
Jun 4, 2008 | 5:11 PM

awesome, u said it for all of us I think
drerunner read my blog
Jun 4, 2008 | 10:46 PM

Why not? They have our govenrment in their back pockets. They see that the door is wide open and the american tax payer can not do a single thing about it......
FLRiverguy read my blog
Jun 5, 2008 | 7:56 AM

People who do things illegally will always have more rights than law abiding citizens! Unless that is changed this country will continue down the road to self destruction! Its a sad sad thing indeed.
newcitizen
Jun 5, 2008 | 11:15 AM

I am a new citizen. I moved here 12 years ago this coming Nov. I have done this the legal way all the way. I see so many illegals who cause accidents and because they have no insurance they run. I don't know the answer to all the illegals that are here now. The employers know(even though they will deny that they knew) that they employ illegals. They are the first step to rectifying this issue. If they make all the people who come to them for a job get the proper verification and the proper paperwork it would help. I know that this is a lot of red tape, but needs to be done. The government needs to step up and issue more migrant worker permits. This also would help as the majority of migrant work(ie farm workers) are illegal.
jabitw read my blog
Jun 5, 2008 | 12:18 PM

How about implementing a program like crime stoppers, but the tipsters can make $100 for every illegal they turn in that gets deported?
dwilliams21 read my blog
Jun 5, 2008 | 2:03 PM

Jabitw,
I respect your views, opinions, and proposed solution. It's well thought out and written. However, lets look back to the foundation of America; when citizens began fleeing the European countries and set sail for America. How do you think the Indians or present day "Native Americans" felt. Wouldnt you think that they wanted us to respect them, learn their language, and join there labor force? We came and conquered. Fast forward to the Civil War, the northern states would grant citizenship and voting rights to any immigrant that would either vote or fight for them. Ironic huh? Personally it appears big business and government are still benefiting from imigration yet, we the people keep feeding off the political ploy about immigration. No matter what they say or promise nothing will change and the immigrants will eventually conquer as well. Closely monitor the population/ethniticity consensus and you will notice there are a vast number of backgrounds slowly gaining great size compared to us "Americans." Since we reside in Florida a big agriculture state we see more hispanics. It's change, something we have to accept whether legal, right, or wrong. If immigration was really such a huge problem to the government do you think that they would have passed NAFTA if we didnt benefit from it. Cheap labor completes the the American Capitolist dream and its something we will never be able to change unfortunately. Please give me your feedback, this isnt a criticizing reply just another viewpoint from someone who believes the government fails to be truthful with us and wants a
jabitw read my blog
Jun 5, 2008 | 4:14 PM

Williams...(part 1)

I have to agree with some of the points you make, but I think you have also conceded defeat before doing battle.

Yes, 'we' came to this continent and conquered it. By today's standards it is wrong and represents exactly the point we made in the First Gulf War when Iraq invaded Kuwait. However, the world invasion of North America began more than 500 years ago and there is little we can do to change that. Clearly we have learned the lessons and become better people since.
jabitw read my blog
Jun 5, 2008 | 4:15 PM

williams...(part 2)

With respect to the Civil War...I fail to see the irony you do, but if you clarify what you mean, I will respond.

Yes, many businesses and politicians benefit from illegal immigration. We all benefit from legal immigration. Be sure to properly accentuate my highlights.

I think you completely misunderstand NAFTA and any other free trade agreements. The result works two ways. Getting into that on this thread would distract from the point of this post, but keep visiting and I will blog on that issue in the next few days.
jabitw read my blog
Jun 5, 2008 | 4:17 PM

williams...(part 3)

Being that I have a minor in Systems and Decision Sciences (what can be summarized as Statistical Analysis for Business Forecasting and Quality Control), I spend a lot of time reviewing the numbers posted on the Census Bureau web site. I receive their newsletters and even engage in dialog with them when I see oddities in their numbers (most recently was to discuss the declining rate of growth in the world population). Curiously, that discussion actually has a direct relationship to the point of which you eluded: This 'invasion' will not come through military force, but through percentage of U.S. population of these segments via birth ratios. For entertaining illustrations of this point, I recommend the movies "Idiocracy" and "What Planet Are You From". Both are ridiculous comedies, but the underlying premise is insightful.

I also want to reiterate that I am not opposed to LEGAL immigration. Even in your reference to the Civil War, the immigration was legal (albeit unconventional). What I, and I believe the vast majority of Americans oppose is, for lack of any other suitable phrase, ILLEGAL immigration. That is not directed at any specific ethnicity because we do have illegals in all segments. Yes, I concede that the vast majority are Hispanic, but it also applies equally to drug smugglers and would-be terrorists.

P.S. I don't trust the gov't either. :)
TSD1 read my blog
Jun 5, 2008 | 4:36 PM

dwilliams, I agree with you to a certain point. NAFTA really had nothing to do with cheap labor in America. It was moreso to import/export the goods and materials needed for manufacturing more cheaply.

With that said. I just had a roof put on my house the week before last. Who did most of it? You guessed it immigrants. ILLEGAL immigrants. Or as the new fancy and more politically correct label is spoken - "Undocumented immigrants". What I was suprised to find out is that they weren't all Mexican. There were some from Argentina, and of all places Czechoslovakia.

While the work they performed was terrific. I was shocked to hear from the two that actually spoke English that all but three of them were in fact illegal. They had no quams with this being known, and actually joked about it. They joked about previously going back home about three times a year, but now only once because it's harder to cross the border.

I have no particular point here. I just wanted to add to the conversation. I'll keep my opinion of illegal immigrant to myself for now. But I enjoy debating this subject.
jabitw read my blog
Jun 5, 2008 | 7:10 PM

TSD1, don't you mean "Undocumented Workers"? After all, the only thing anyone that comes to this country to do is get a job. :)
Neanderthal read my blog
Jun 5, 2008 | 7:37 PM

Wouldn't it be wiser to adopt immigration policies of some foreign governments that are more experienced than we? Take a close look at Canada and Mexico's immigration laws for an example. "Diversity" doesn't seem nearly as importat to foreign lands as it does to U.S. politicians looking for "rubber stamp" voter minorities.
FTWilliams read my blog
Jun 6, 2008 | 9:34 AM

So they want compensation for O.T. huh?, I want my tax dollars back that went to pay for their free health clinics and the foodstamps they receive. Nice to know I can't get help from my own country if I need it because " I make to much" which is B.S. because I just get by as it is.... but if I'm a FOREIGNER AND COME HERE ILEGALLY I WILL GET THE RED CARPET TREATMENT ! Think I'll move to Mexico or Cuba and come back and see if I can milk the U.S. for everything I can,WHY NOT EVERYONE ELSE DOES !!
jabitw read my blog
Jun 6, 2008 | 7:41 PM

Neanderthal...

Sorry it took so long to respond to your comment, but I wanted to give it the consideration it deserved, so here goes...

I'll be the first to admit that I'm no expert in immigration - our own or any other country. I have had some exposure to Mexico, the Bahamas and Brazil. I've also paid particular attention to France and the U.K. since 9/11.

My first thought is that more experience isn't always best. I've worked with people that held their job for decades and weren't worth the paper on which their checks were printed. So to select another countries policies, we would have to review all countries and adopt those components that were important to us. Blanket adoption would encompass oppressive actions we would find highly objectionable. For example, in Mexico, an immigrant has no property rights. If you own a piece of property that a Native wants, you are required by law to sell it to them. You are also not allowed to own waterfront properties. You cannot participate in demonstrations, political campaigns, or vote. Naturalized citizens here get all those rights.

Also, I'm not entirely convinced that we create immigration 'slots' based on need for diversity. I'm under the impression that many of these are negotiated when we want something from another country. We also have a preference for those that possess unique skill sets.

I guess my point is that our immigration policy doesn't need to be scrapped and rewritten, it needs to be amended to reflect the changing needs of this country. This would include expanding the number of unskilled or migran
jabitw read my blog
Jun 6, 2008 | 7:43 PM

(continued - I almost got it all in)

...unskilled or migrant workers. When here legally, we can better ensure they are paid (at least) minimum wage.

"But that's just my opinion...I could be wrong" - Dennis Miller
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