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by jpbikerfreak from Overland Park, KS

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I AM NOT A LAWYER.

Friends I have done a lot of research on firearms and weapons laws. Being a law abiding gun (and other weapons) owner, I want to make sure I'm legal when I'm carrying or storing my weapons. What I have come across is a tangled web of ridiculous laws that make it almost necessary to have an attorney with you at all times when you're carrying firearms.

For instance, the state of Florida issues non-resident CCW permits. This is the cheapest, easiest, and fastest way for anyone to get a permit. If you've got a clean record, $117.00, and a hunter's safety card, a dd214, or simliar document, you' can get this. Kansas and Missouri both recognize Florida's CCW, BUT, Kansas says you have to actually LIVE in Florida for it to be valid. Missouri doesn't care where you live, but doesn't honor Florida's weapons policy (Florida's permit is a concealed cary WEAPONS permit, which includes stun guns, knives and billy clubs, etc). So a Flordida permit holder can live in Kansas, legally carry a gun in Missouri (but not a knife), but not in his own state. If he moves to Florida, he can come back and carry in Kansas.

But if he crosses state lines it becomes a federal issue. Federal law dictates that a person must transport firearms unloaded and locked in trunk. So if a Permit holder crosses state lines between two states who honor his CCW, he should stop at state line, unload his weapon, lock it in the trunk (God help him if he's on a motorcycle), cross state line, take it back out, load it and put it back in his hiding spot?

Then there is the endless list of forbidden carry places. Some are places in which weapons are needed the MOST (college campuses and churches come to mind), others are fairly reasonable (courthouses) and common sense. Then there are the ridiculous city ordinances. Overland Park does not allow tasers. But a CCW holder can carry a handgun. But not a fixed blade knife.

Kansas has a law saying that employers may not forbid employees from having guns in their cars in their parking lot. Kansas says that if a gun is unloaded and fully encased, a person cannot be prosecuted for having it in his vehicle. If it is loaded, however, it's up to a judge to determine if it's considered concealed carry.

Or my favorite, a person may have numchucks if they are locked up, out of reach, and he is a certified martial arts instructor on his way to and from a class in which he regularly teaches 5 or more paying members.

Ridiculous.

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Searchingtoo read my blog view my photos
Mar 26, 2008 | 6:23 AM

Will the new supreme court ruling do anything to lessen the amount of laws since they declared it a personal right?

jpbikerfreak read my blog view my photos
Mar 26, 2008 | 7:18 AM

My sources say no.

Even if it is a right, courts have ruled that "reasonable" restrictions on rights are permissable.

The old can't yell fire in a crowded theater is a good example of a restriction on free speech.

Now it's up tot he court to rule on the DC Gun ban (the case you mentioned), which BTW it has not yet done.

odessacon read my blog
Mar 26, 2008 | 9:25 AM

The first thing the nazi party did was outlaw citizen arms.They used the same rhetoric the left uses today-safety. All this did was make it wasy for Hilter to run over Germany.

jpbikerfreak read my blog view my photos
Mar 26, 2008 | 10:36 AM

not just the nazis, odessacon. it's happened all over the world at differen times in history.

And make no mistake about it, all of these little sticking points were put into the law by the gun grabbing politician crowd to make it discouragingly difficult for CCW holders to even bother with carrying.

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jpbikerfreak

Biker, Libertarian, Hunter, Free Thinker and Philosopher.

Member Since: 2/20/2008