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by sipedo from Brooksville, Florida

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I've included the article I read on Yahoo! News.  It's interesting that most of the article is based on lies and partial truths.

I've inserted into the article what the "probable" truth really is.


TALLAHASSEE (AP)
- Florida's latest traffic numbers show you're more likely to die in a crash if you don't buckle up, so police across the state are trying to get more people to wear seat belts in the coming weeks.    TRUTH- Police across the state are in fact instituting this campaign again for one reason, and one reason only, to put more money into the public coffers.  There is no other reason for this.


Police are kicking off the "Click It or Ticket" campaign -- which will run through Memorial Day Weekend.

Authorities say too many people are needlessly dying every year because they don't take a couple of seconds to buckle up. Seat belt usage is estimated at 79 percent in Florida.  TRUTH- The fact of the matter is that 70% of traffic accidents that result in fatality(This is from the NTSB), the occupants would have died whether they had a seatbelt on or not.

Supporters of the "Click It or Ticket" campaign hope the effort boosts that to 85 percent.
TRUTH- Supporters of the program?  Who are they?  They are the liars that would have you believe that this law more often than not saves lives.  The fact is they don't know if they save lives or not in a majority of the cases.  It is nothing more than a money maker.

Traffic crashes killed 35 people in Florida over Memorial Day weekend last year.  TRUTH- Based on NTSB stats, 22 of those 35 would have died in those accidents anyway, whether they wore a seatbelt or not.


There is no place in heaven for liars, and they will take their place in the lake of fire.
Rev. 21:8
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Vittorio read my blog view my photos
May 10, 2008 | 8:31 AM

If one life is saved, it's worth it.

JANICELPED read my blog
May 10, 2008 | 9:33 AM

IF it only takes less than 30 seconds to fasten a seat belt why not do it? Who's to say if it would make a difference or not but why take the chance to see if you will die or not if you do or don't have on your set belt. Why take the chance when it dosn't take that much effort to do it anyway. I would rather do it and know it might help than take the chance and have everyone sitting at my funeral saying "Well she didn't have on her seatbelt." I will wear MY sealt belt and so will my child! Just plain stupid not to do it!

mmustangg read my blog view my photos
May 10, 2008 | 10:53 AM

Oh hush up and wear your damned seat belt! Whine whine whine! If you really dont want to wear one, drive a car built before 1964! by law you dont have to then! I know one thing, you wont whine about the Troopers when you need one to pull you out of your car after an accident! Show some respect will ya!

By the way, I SUPPORT THE PROGRAM AND WEAR MINE! Remember, God might be your co-pilot but he's got to buckle up too!

DaytonaFrank read my blog view my photos
May 10, 2008 | 7:28 PM

Well, the law requires just a seatbelt. If you detest the shoulder belt, and push it aside, it will appear as if you are not wearing any belt at all.

If they pass a law where you can be stopped for not wearing a seatbelt as a primary offense, it will mean anyone can get stopped on simple speculation.
For example:
You don't like the shoulder belt, so you tuck it aside. You are still buckled in by the lap belt however. To a police officer, it appears you are not wearing the seatbelt, even though you are. He can stop you. Even give you a ticket.
How can the police POSSIBLY tell if you are wearing a lap belt? What if you are indeed driving a classic car, that was built before shoulder belts were standard equipment?

What if your clothing color so matched that of the shoulder belt that it was indistinguishable?

Sounds like I have a hard on for this topic, doesn't it?

I do. I was stopped for a tag light out one night. After being forced to a search of my person, and my van, I did not get a ticket for a tag light out.
I got one for no seatbelt! I was wearing it, and took it off to get my wallet out of my pocket when the officer approached.

I went to court to fight this, and although it cost me monetarily 3 times as much as just paying the ticket, I won.

Most satisfying!

mmustangg read my blog view my photos
May 10, 2008 | 9:41 PM

Cars built before 1964 were not requited by federal law to have seat belts. When they were made a requirement, they were lap belts. I dont believe shoulder belts came out until the 70s.

Just to be on the safe side of any "misunderstandings", I wont reach for anything until an officer tells me to. Seat belt or wallet, it doesn't matter. My hands stay on the wheel as I turn to the left and smile!*lol*

DaytonaFrank read my blog view my photos
May 10, 2008 | 11:10 PM

Yes. I can't wait for the law to be passed.
When the officer tells me I was stopped for simply not wearing a seatbelt, I will say what? I am wearing it right now!

So many lawsuits......

sipedo read my blog view my photos
May 12, 2008 | 1:48 PM

Actually Frank, it is a primary offense. They can pull you over for it. I was on Oakridge near OBT one night, and that is exactly what Orlando police were doing. They were checking to see if people had seatbelts on with shoulder restraints, and it they didn't, they were motioned into a restaurant parking lot.

mmustang, you missed the point. The point is not about saving lives. Do they save lives? Yes! Do they not save lives? Yes as well. They are using inconclusive statistics to keep a law that little more than add money to the public coffers. They are lying.

I do wear my seatbelt, BUT, as an adult, that should be my decision as a lone driver with no children. The law was only passed to create a revenue flow, nothing more, but they have guised it with "saving lives", called it the whole truth. This law is based upon lies and a greed for money.

As far as wanting a trooper to pull me from the wreckage? No thanks, let me stay there and rot rather than have one of those lepers touch me. I have no respect whatsoever for any trooper or the FHP or the FDLE. NONE. Talk all you want about how they lay their life on the line, the truth is, they mostly harrass people, and the bad DOES outweigh the good.

elkahna read my blog
May 13, 2008 | 5:08 AM

Seatbelts and their necessity.

The greatest recent example of the need to wear seat belts is the Nick Bollea crash. Nick had his on, his friend, according to news reports did not and suffered catastrophic injuries. Though no seatbelt can guarantee your survival or immunity to injury, it does give you a great advantage in survivability even if injured. Also, driving on the highways of our nation is a priviledge, that is granted by the states and not a right. If state law requires the wearing of the belt, simply buckle up, rendering the need for click it or ticket moot. Pushing the shoulder belt aside as some suggest only renders the belt useless as the inertia forward is what locks the belt in place. Anyway this is my thoughts and those and $3.50 will get you a coffee (maybe) at a latte house :-)

elkahna

jabitw read my blog
May 13, 2008 | 10:23 AM

I see this "campaign" as just one more example of the government invading the lives of it's citizens. Look, I'm an adult...as a matter of fact, I'm a pretty intelligent adult. I stopped letting my parents make my decisions when I was eighteen (although they would argue I didn't listen long before that). Now I'm 42, but the government still doesn't think I'm smart enough to decide when it's safe to cross the street without a mechanical device telling me to walk. I'm not qualified to decide if I should wear a seatbelt or not. The government has to tell me if I have the right to risk my life by staying in my home during a hurricane. And the list goes on and on.

When I see a cop helping an accident victim, a stranded motorist, at a robbery, or any of a thousand other situations I am glad they are there. But I have to agree with the original post here and the points he was trying to make:

1. It's my life - let me live or die as I see fit.
2. Traffic penalties aren't about your safety - they're about collecting money, increasing police/political power and an excuse to harass people they think may be violating another law.

If you don't buy this, try sponsoring a constitutional change in this state that eliminates traffic fines and replaces them with mandatory Community Service. Then look at those that oppose this proposal.
1. The cops - because they want the money.
2. The politicians - because they need the power.
3. The rich - because they can afford the tickets and/or can buy their way out of them.

I do wear my seatbelt. I don't speed (at least not intentionally

jabitw read my blog
May 13, 2008 | 10:38 AM

(continued...again...)

I do wear my seatbelt. I don't speed (at least not intentionally). I use my turn signals and keep my vehicle in good condition (lights, tires, etc.). I do these things because I choose to do them, not because some bureaucrat decided I should.

The argument I saw earlier "If one life was saved, it's worth it", is ridiculous and utterly devoid of moral honesty. If each life were so precious, where is your defense in these situations:

1. Darfut - 300,000+ murdered in the last five years. We have made no significant effort to stop this genocide.

2. Iraq - Those claiming we went there for oil and that we are killing 'innocents' fail to remember that Sadaam Hussein was personally responsible for the deaths of more that FOUR MILLION people. Regardless of the WMD situation, we stopped a mass murderer.

3. Myanmar/Burma - Death toll in the recent cyclone expected to hit 100,000. Yet the Junta government is stealing relief supplies and replacing them with rotting food. Not to mention that they took nearly ten days to even start allowing relief efforts to begin. Some expect the death toll from this atrocity to surpass the death toll of the cyclone itself. And we BLEEP about FEMA.

4. I won't even try to describe the monolithic list of human rights violations by China. As a matter of fact, a Google search on the topic returns more than 20 million pages.

Maybe you should revise that statement to "If it saves one American life, it's worth it".

Oh...and with regard to the Nick Bollea case. There is, again, no conclusive evidence that the seat be

jabitw read my blog
May 13, 2008 | 10:43 AM

...Nick Bollea case. There is, again, no conclusive evidence that the seat belt (or lack thereof) contributed to the passengers injuries nor prevent Bollea from being injured.

Beyond the fact about the seatbelt, the press has never gone into any detail as to what physical stresses actually caused his injuries. For example, a tree may have impaled his side of the car, or he may have been leaning over to put a CD into the player when the accident happened. You have been assuming that the forces were equal on both occupants, which flies in the face of any scientific investigation. To be fair, what 'appears' to have happened may be exactly what DID happen. I don't know.

My point is that the 'authorities' will tell you want they want you to know, but not things that contradict their position. What the media tells you is just as important as what they don't say.. Listen for both.

Driving may be a privilege, but if you don't live in a big city with ample mass transit, it is also a necessity. One could easily argue that it should be a right. After all, nobody told a cowboy in the old west that he couldn't ride his horse because he rode it drunk last year...

eriknami read my blog
May 13, 2008 | 1:27 PM

JABITW---THE ONLY CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE I NEED FOR THE BOLLEA INCIDENT---NICK IS STILL LIVING A NORMAL LIFE, JOHNS NOT. THAT'S CONCLUSIVE ENOUGH FOR ME. BUCKLE UP!!!!!!!IT'S THE LAW

DaytonaFrank read my blog view my photos
May 13, 2008 | 10:32 PM

Sipedo, you are wrong.
It is not a primary offense, even though they are still trying to pass that BS into law.
You can only get a seatbelt ticket if you were stopped for something else.
It is a secondary offense. You must be mistaken.
The scenario you describe violates the law as written, and being stopped for that alone would be grounds to throw out ANY other violation discovered during the illegal stop.

Check the law. You will see.

DaytonaFrank read my blog view my photos
May 13, 2008 | 10:46 PM

They were not looking to hand out seatbelt tickets during those stops. They had bigger fish to fry. That was the premise though.

But they could stop you at a checkpoint for any other reason, and then give you the ticket on top of the others.
Whether it was alcohol on your breath, or just a bald tire. Tailight out. Or tag light out.

If the only thing you were doing wrong was not wearing a seatbelt, you would have a very simple lawsuit, that would not lose.

Even the police have to follow the law, click it or ticket most withstanding!

sipedo read my blog view my photos
May 19, 2008 | 1:59 PM

I'll look it up Frank, but it was my understanding that they can pull you over for not wearing a seatbelt, and that is what this Clickit or Ticket campaign is doing.

Erik, you have your proof. I'm glad you're happy with it. It's right for you, but it still doesn't make it right.

Jabit, I like what you had to say. You brought it home better than I did.

All others who take the law and swallow it no matter what remind me of . . . well, I won't go there.

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